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Post by mitchrg on Sept 16, 2011 15:00:22 GMT -5
Sorry, I don't like it when people elevate themselves to the level of the Apostle Paul. All prophecy is written in the Bible. I believe that anything else is nothing more than a dream. Do I believe that God speaks to man? Yes, I do but only on an individual basis. I do not believe that new prophecy is of today. 2 Peter 1:19, Peter was refering to the Transfiguration. He states in the verse that the written Word of God is more valuable than visions and dreams. Everything we need to know is written in God's Word. Do not levitate to sensationalism. Stay in the Word of God. Yes, I believe these are the Last Days, but only because of what God's Word says. The supposed 3 Days of Darkness that some say Elenin will cause is not in scripture but rather Catholic Apocalyptic teaching that is reminiscent of one of the 10 plagues that came upon Egypt during the time of Moses. Stay in God's Word, people. He will tell you what you need to know there.
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Post by allenlundy on Sept 16, 2011 15:41:24 GMT -5
Well put Bro! There are a lot of earthquakes being predicted as well as other natural disasters. All this is distracting the watchers from doing what they should be doing, which is studying the scriptures.
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Post by jillerd on Sept 16, 2011 16:26:50 GMT -5
Well put Bro! There are a lot of earthquakes being predicted as well as other natural disasters. All this is distracting the watchers from doing what they should be doing, which is studying the scriptures. Amen... So many distractions. One really has to be careful to keep their 'watching' in check so as not to be slack on their study of the Word. |
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Post by mitchrg on Sept 16, 2011 16:37:13 GMT -5
Billy Graham once said that if God doesn't judge America, He will have to raise up Sodom and Gomorah and apologize. Although this sounds correct and deserving, the things that are happening here in the US are happening all over the world. These are the birth pains. Romans 8:22 says that creation itself labor like birth pains awaiting the transformation and release of the corruptable with the children of God. These things will get worse during the Trib period as creation readies itself for the Kingdom of Christ when the government will be upon His shoulders. We do not look around to see if what is going on around us is in the Bible, we look in the Bible to see if what it says is going on around us. It is staying grounded in God's Word that is the way we watch for His return.
Almost all prophetic utterances from the written scriptures have attached with it instruction of how we should live and how prophecy should change our lives. Therefore, prophecy has it's everyday relevence to the Christian life.
Tit 2:11-13 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
1Jn 3:2-3 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
Do not despise prophecy but study it. This is how we look for that Blessed Hope, the Glorious returning of our Lord and Savior. Jesus told us to watch. "Watch" is an action word.
And we need to be careful of distractions. They could be from the Enemy. Stay grounded in God's Word!!!
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Post by shann0 on Sept 16, 2011 22:02:04 GMT -5
The bible indicates that there will be prophesying in the last days...
Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall [glow=red,2,300]prophesy[/glow], and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Act 2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall : [glow=red,2,300]prophesy[/glow]
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Post by mitchrg on Sept 18, 2011 2:45:54 GMT -5
The passage of Acts 2;17-18 are spoken by Peter and he is saying that what has happened to them is a fullfillment of Joel 2. Peter refered to the days he was living in as the Last Days. It is my understanding that when Peter was refering to the Last Days, he was talking about the latter days of the 1 day= 1000 years. (2 Pet. 3:8) 4000 years from Adam to Christ, 3000 years after Christ. That Last 1000 being the Millennial Kingdom. The writer of Hebrews in chapter 1 v 2 refered to his own time "these last days".
My point is this. I believe that 1 Cor. 13: 8-12 is talking about the written Word of God. Once it is complete, there is no need for the gift of Apostolic prophecy. Faith comes by hearing and hearing of the Word of God. Peter himself when he was refering to the transfiguation stated that the written Word of God or prophecy of scriptures is more valuable then the experience he had. 2 Peter 1:19-20. Folks, I'm not trying to argue but I only question the need for additional prophecy when the things these so called prophets utter are already found in scripture? Why does God need to say it again? And, if it's not in scripture, doesn't the scriptures warn against adding or talking away from God's Word?
This man that claims he was taken up by God and was told to declare judgement upon the Eastern Seaboard elevates himself to the level of the Apostles John and Paul. Folks, I'm not trying to be a "Know it all" but I see so many things in scriptures themselves to prove that we are in the final minutes of the Last Days before the Rapture of the Church and the Tribulation period. I have always been taught that the scriptures are the final authority and anything else is from man. May God forgive me and show me if I am wrong and please pray that He does so if I am. Please educate me.
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Post by mitchrg on Sept 18, 2011 2:47:05 GMT -5
Please forgive me if I seem argumentative. Open discussion is the best way I learn. I crave it.
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Post by shann0 on Sept 18, 2011 13:06:14 GMT -5
Not at all, you aren't being argumentative. Like you, I wish we had more discussions like this on our forum. Perhaps if more people were led to post and ask questions rather than to just read, we could. I've never really thought about it that way but I get sick of hearing all the so called prophets out there too. (more like "profits") Self proclaimed, and either repeating what's already been told to us in scripture, or else talking a lot but not saying anything at all.  Although there is a warning in Revelation about adding or taking away from the words of that book, I've always been taught that the warning is for that book alone. Though it isn't something I'd want to put to the test! I disagree with the idea that Peter was only talking about the days he lived in. I see no distinction in the Greek that this particular instance of "last days" is in any way different from all other instances of the words "last days". And if you read on to verse 20, it becomes clear that the last days referred to are the days directly before the Day of the Lord. I think it's possible that the people who are going to have the visions, dreams and prophesying are going to be those left behind believers, as I see absolutely no evidence of a true prophet anywhere in the world today. Thoughts? |
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Post by maeday5 on Sept 18, 2011 18:06:09 GMT -5
Not at all, you aren't being argumentative. Like you, I wish we had more discussions like this on our forum. Perhaps if more people were led to post and ask questions rather than to just read, we could. I've never really thought about it that way but I get sick of hearing all the so called prophets out there too. (more like "profits") Self proclaimed, and either repeating what's already been told to us in scripture, or else talking a lot but not saying anything at all. Although there is a warning in Revelation about adding or taking away from the words of that book, I've always been taught that the warning is for that book alone. Though it isn't something I'd want to put to the test! I disagree with the idea that Peter was only talking about the days he lived in. I see no distinction in the Greek that this particular instance of "last days" is in any way different from all other instances of the words "last days". And if you read on to verse 20, it becomes clear that the last days referred to are the days directly before the Day of the Lord. I think it's possible that the people who are going to have the visions, dreams and prophesying are going to be those left behind believers, as I see absolutely no evidence of a true prophet anywhere in the world today. Thoughts? Interesting...I've always been taught the verse in Rev. (taking away words of the book) referred to the whole Word of God, not just those of Revelation. I also do not believe in the Apostolic succession...it ended. No need for Prophets now as we have the Holy Spirit and the complete Word of God.However, I can support the thought of new believers in the last days (post rapture) prophesying, as the Church era would have passed. The Holy Spirit will have been removed and who knows if the Word of God will be available. |
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