The Harbinger

[baydoll]

Good article, Arlene! Have you had the chance to read the book yet? I'm waiting to see what you think of it before I buy it.....

Here's another really good article this time from Jack Kelley (whom I really respect and admire) and he's definitely not a fan of it either:

A Critique Of The Harbinger

A Critique by Jack Kelley

“The bricks have fallen down, but we will rebuild with hewn stones; the sycamores are cut down, but we will replace them with cedars.” (Isaiah 9:10 NKJV)



It’s fair to say I was a skeptic when I picked up a copy of The Harbinger, by Jonathan Cahn. I decided to read the book only because I had received several questions about it. But I soon discovered that the author makes a stunning case for a connection between the judgment of the northern Kingdom by the Assyrians in 722 BC and the judgment of America, underway since 9-11.

The way leaders of both countries responded to a limited judgment with defiance and resolve but no repentance was way beyond coincidence. And by responding with the very same words that Isaiah attributed to Israel (Isaiah 9:10), America’s leaders left no doubt in my mind that the judgments we’ve suffered are warnings from God and they didn’t grasp the meaning of Isaiah’s words even though they repeated them over and over again.

I was tracking beautifully with the author’s interpretation of our recent history and literally couldn’t put the book down as long as he was comparing Israel’s history with ours.

Then What Happened?

“If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land” (2 Chronicles 7:13-14).

But when he used the above passage to justify his claim that America could experience a different outcome from the Northern Kingdom’s, he lost me. In my mind the book was instantly downgraded to another work of fiction, although with convincing historical and spiritual analysis. I had a hard time getting through the last few chapters, because they were just a human opinion based on an incorrect interpretation of 2 chronicles 7:14. At its end the book had become just as vague and fanciful as it had been precise and direct at the beginning.

If the author is correct in his assertion that as far as God is concerned political leaders officially speak for their country, then America is not the country of “my people who are called by my name” to whom 2 Chronicles 7:14 is addressed. At a press conference in Turkey in April of 2009 President Obama said that America is not a Christian nation. He was repeating something he’d been saying since 2007. When asked to clarify this he once said, “What I mean is America is not just a Christian nation. We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers.”

That statement doesn’t make sense. A nation may count among its residents people of many faiths, but it can’t be a nation of all of them. Such a nation could only be a nation of no official faith. And that’s what America is, we’re a nation of no official faith. (I sometimes wonder how it makes Christians from other countries feel when American Christians act as if they think America and the Church are one and the same.)

It’s true there are a lot of Christians in America. But we all belong to the Church and the Church has no national homeland, not in America and not anywhere else. The Church comes from every nation on Earth but our citizenship is in Heaven (Phil. 3:20) and that’s where our home is. American believers are not called to repent and save our country any more than believers who live in other countries are called to repent and save theirs. No matter what country we live in we’re supposed to be like Abraham, strangers in a foreign land looking forward to the city whose architect and builder is God (Hebr. 11:9-10).

Israel was a nation officially in a covenant relationship with God whose eternal destiny is to live with Him in the land He gave them here on Earth (Ezekiel 43:7). After King Solomon’s death the nation was divided, both physically and spiritually. The Northern Kingdom didn’t just split from the South, they also split from God. The Levitical Priests were expelled, and the faithful from all of the northern tribes fled to the south with them (2 Chron. 11:16). Only the unbelievers remained in the North. A new priesthood was formed and altars were erected to pagan gods. Failing to win the Northern Kingdom back, the Lord sent the Assyrians to warn them. They refused to heed the warnings and were ultimately conquered.

Even though our relationship with Him was different from theirs, America officially renounced God just as the Northern Kingdom had. Now God is judging America, and the only way for Americans to escape the coming judgment is to flee with the Church, like the believing Israelites fled with the priests. (To his credit the author did provide a moving set of instructions on how to become part of the Church.)

Once the Lord takes us home, what’s left of America will be destroyed for failing to heed God’s warnings just as the Northern Kingdom was destroyed. The dual purpose of the Great Tribulation is clearly explained in Jeremiah 30:11. The first is to completely destroy all the nations among which the Jews have been scattered, and the second is to discipline Israel in preparation for the coming Kingdom Age. If you’re looking for a Bible verse that refers to America in the end times, look at the first part of Jeremiah 30:11.

What About Them?

Things were different in the Southern Kingdom, even though they were in the process of abandoning God as well. On the Eve of their conquest by the Babylonians 120 years after the Northern Kingdom ceased to exist, God had Jeremiah tell the exiles from the Southern Kingdom:

“When seventy years are completed for Babylon, I will come to you and fulfill my gracious promise to bring you back to this place. For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the LORD, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. (Jeremiah 29:10-11)

By no stretch of the imagination can this promise apply to any one but the Jews in exile in Babylon in the 6th century BC. Such a promise was never given to the Northern Kingdom, nor has one been given to America.

After the 70 years were over, God brought the Jews who were willing to return back to the Promised Land, just like He said He would. But this was not the fulfillment of 2 Chronicles 7:14 either. The 70 year period of the captivity had been predetermined by God and at its end He brought them back like He said. 2 Chronicles 7:14 will be fulfilled when the Jewish leadership invokes the promise of Hosea 6:1-2 and petitions the Lord’s return to save them.

When Will That Be?

When Israel’s rejection of Jesus as their Messiah was complete, He finally left them alone. It had been 40 days since He provided the unmistakable sign they had asked for (the sign of Jonah, Matt. 12:39) to prove He was who He claimed to be. 40 being the number of testing, their time of testing had expired and they had failed. In Hosea 5:15 the prophet had Him saying,

“Then I will go back to my place until they admit their guilt. And they will seek my face; in their misery they will earnestly seek me.”

When the judgments of the Great Tribulation are at their worst, Israel will officially petition the Lord’s return.

“Come, let us return to the LORD. He has torn us to pieces but he will heal us; he has injured us but he will bind up our wounds. After two days he will revive us; on the third day he will restore us, that we may live in his presence” (Hosea 6:1-2).

When they do, the Lord will pour out His Spirit of Grace and Supplication. Their eyes will be opened and they will look upon Him who they have pierced and they will mourn for Him as one mourns for an only child. (Zechariah 12:10). Some scholars have suggested that Isaiah 53 will be their official prayer of confession.

On the day the Lord returns He will be King of the whole Earth. On that day there will be one Lord and His name the only name (Zech. 14:9). Then Judah will be inhabited forever and Jerusalem through all generations. Their blood guilt which I have not pardoned, I will pardon. The Lord dwells in Zion (Joel 3:20-21). 2 Chronicles 7:14 will finally be fulfilled.

On three separate occasions just before the Southern Kingdom was conquered by the Babylonians, God told Jeremiah to stop praying for the Jews because He wasn’t listening any more (Jeremiah 7:16, 11:14. 14:11). I believe America may also have reached that point with Him. It’s clear that America’s unbelievers don’t want the Church to save them, and the only believers still fighting for America’s future are the ones who don’t understand what’s ahead for the Church.

In summary, it’s not the Church’s job to save America. Our job is to store up treasure in Heaven by helping those who can no longer help themselves on Earth. In this way we show forth the light and love of the Lord in this dark and dying place. Selah 01-28-12

gracethrufaith.com/selah/a-critique-of-the-harbinger/

[baydoll]

Jun 10, 2012 21:16:39 GMT -5 emortimer said:

I did not come to this board to read...

better yet

anyone heard of CLIFF NOTES


man I hate reading it takes to long

Sorry Emo! I don't like reading long articles either so what I usually do is print them out and then save them to read at a later time at my leisure. That way I can really digest what is being said. Much better that way.

[PrisonerOfHope]

“THE HARBINGER”, A FORBIDDEN FABLE (Nine aspects in Biblical Discernment)

” [Fables-and-Fairy-Tales.]

LETS LOOK PASS, “THE HARBINGER” AND SEE WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS ABOUT DISCERNMENT. Discernment is being discussed from a very negative viewpoint because of this book. People love discernment as long as it’s something they do not believe or love. When someone get infatuated with anything, book, preacher, song ,etc, then discernment becomes an enemy. One person this week called discerning, “engaging in blood sport”. She apologized because she once was involved in this kind of ministry. SAD! That is what the New Wine crowd like Rick Joyner call discernment. Nobody will mind discernment if they have nothing to hide. That is why every Post from this ministry is open to your comments. I enjoy people picking apart what I write or preach.

DISCERNMENT MUST FOLLOW A BIBLICAL COURSE:

1. Nothing can be taken out of the context.
2. All interpretation of Scripture must be confirmed by other Scriptures on the same subject.
3. Types or symbols will always be identified by other places in the Holy Bible. (Four beasts in Revelation four are called Living Creatures in Ezekiel one.)
4. The plain sense of the Word.
5. Always interpret the Word of God literal. (A type in Scripture is taken literally after you determine it’s meaning by the Bible,)
6. The characteristics of the Occult are never to be confused with God’s Divine action.
7. The moment a psychic action is embraced or witnessed you know it’s false.
8. Paranormal is never equated with the Holy Ghost.
9. The use of Scripture must never be the single means of discernment. (All false prophets use Scripture to
fool their subjects.

The Holy Bible plainly forbids the use of mysterious fables or magical stories to teach Holy Scripture. A fable is strikingly different from a fiction book. A normal fiction is true to life experiences. It simply tells a real story with the use of fictional experiences and people. A fable involves the strange worlds of mysticism and psychic experiences. It also takes the paranormal and tries to make it normal. “The Harbinger” is a fable, or worse, it is a fairytale.

Holy Scripture is extremely plain about the use of fables in concurrence with the Bible. In his first letter, Timothy warned the believers about this work of Satan. “For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.” (2 Timothy 4: 3-5) Fables are a big focus of the world and especially of the spiritualistic subcultures.

For our education of fables, let’s look at Barnes’ notes on the above scripture. “Neither give heed to fables – That is, that they should not bestow their attention on fables, or regard such trifles as of importance. The “fables” here referred to were probably the idle and puerile superstitions and conceits of the Jewish rabbis. The word rendered “fable” (μῦθος: muthos) means properly “speech” or “discourse,” and then fable or fiction, or a mystic discourse. Such things abounded among the Greeks as well as the Jews, but it is probable that the latter here are particularly intended. These were composed of frivolous and unfounded stories, which they regarded as of great importance, and which they seem to have desired to incorporate with the teachings of Christianity. Paul, who had been brought up amidst these superstitions, saw at once how they would tend to draw off the mind from the truth, and would corrupt the true religion. One of the most successful arts of the adversary of souls has been to mingle fable with truth; and when he cannot overthrow the truth by direct opposition, to neutralize it by mingling with it much that is false and frivolous.” (Barnes Notes on the Bible, Exposition Commentary Volume VI, 1 Timothy 1:4)

Warren Wiersbe astutely observes “It is not likely that man-made fables will convict them of sin or make them want to repent! The result is a congregation of comfortable, professing Christians, listening to a comfortable, religious talk that contains no Bible doctrine. These people become the prey of every false cult because their lives lack a foundation in the Word of God. It is a recognized fact that most cultists were formerly members of churches. (Wiersbe, W: Bible Exposition Commentary, 2 Timothy 4:4)

The Strong’s concordance was even stronger, ”Neither give heed to fables – Idle fancies; things of no moment; doctrines and opinions unauthenticated; silly legends, of which no people ever possessed a greater stock than the Jews. Their Talmud abounds with them; and the English reader may find them in abundance in Stehlin’s Jewish Traditions, 2 vols. 8vo.” Then he defined the word Fables (3454: Muthos). “Muthos refers to tales (a tale is a usually imaginative narrative of an event that often contains imagined or exaggerated elements) or fables (a fable can refer to a short fictitious story which teaches a moral lesson but in the NT fable is used only in a negative sense as something to be avoided because it is false and unreal) fabricated by the mind in contrast to reality. Muthos therefore refers to fictional tales in contrast to true accounts and represents manufactured stories that have no basis in fact. The Greek and Roman world abounded in stories about so-called “gods” which were nothing more than human speculations that in vain (and in error) tried to explain the world’s origin and life’s purpose and end!” (Clarke’s Commentary Volume VI, 1 Timothy 1:4)

There is no question but the Bible forbids fables. “Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.” (I Timothy 1:4) “But refuse profane and old wives’ fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness.” (I Timothy 4:7) “Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.” (Titus 1:14) “For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.” ( II Peter 1:16)

As we have learned more and more about this book, “The Harbinger”. it has becomes clear that it is a fable. It has really raised red flags of warning. Nothing in this book is believable. The Prophet is a fictional character, which means that his prophecies are also fictional. The entire book is called fictional except for his unfounded use of the Scripture. The documentations in the book are woven around the seals and harbingers in a style that creates a fabricated story or a fable. We call it a fable because the book is written around psychic activities and not the true Spiritual real world.

THIS NEW SERIES ENTITLED, “THE HARBINGER: A FORBIDDEN FABLE” WILL CONTINUE NEXT SATURDAY. THIS COMING SATURDAY’S BROADCAST WILL BE “THE HARBINGER, LEANING TOWARD POST-MILLINNISM. I am overwhelmed with the church’s utter lack of discernment. The so-called prophet in this book is possessed with all the characteristics of the occult. Almost every action of a Psychic Practitioner is evident. His use of Scriptures from Jewish history and the application of those Scriptures to the New Testament era is “Replacement Theology”. His close connections to Rick Joyner, Jim Bakker, and Sid Roth is enough to warn any careful person. There is not one reference in this book to a single truth that is the heartthrob of End Time Prophecy. The Rapture, the Antichrist, The Nation of Israel’s future Kingdom, The Battle Of Armageddon, the Seven Year Tribulation or the Millennium are never named one time.

Radio program may be heard at link:

www.pawcreek.org/open-bible-dialog/the-harbinger-a-forbidden-fable-nine-aspects-in-biblical-discernment

[PrisonerOfHope]

Here's more from Joe Chambers; I expect to get to reading the book myself this week, as soon as I finish Petrus Romanus.

THE HARBINGER FABLE AND POST- MILLENNIALISM


BECAUSE THE NAME OF JESUS IS PRESENTED IS NOT PROOF THAT A BOOK IS ACCEPTABLE. Jesus warned us with unmistakable language, “For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.” (Matt 24:5) The Church is full of cheap theology that accepts anything or any doctrine as long as there is an obscure mention of Jesus Christ or a light call to believe the gospel. A “Born Again” experience is a radical transformation and not just a mental accent. Even the Devil believes and trembles. “Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.” (James 2:19)

A Bible believing Christian walks a fine line between being faithful in citizenship and the glorious Hope of the Rapture. We know this world is on the verge of judgment so radical and breathtaking that when that judgment is finished Jesus Christ can set up His Golden Kingdom and rule the world from Jerusalem. That truth is so sweet and pure that trying to change our world requires a clear mind and a true heart. We had rather go immediately to be with Him but we must not forsake the responsibilities of living in this world until He pleases otherwise. This world is ready for judgment but we will be Salt and Light until He says, “Come Up Hither”.

Anyone that learns the truth of the “GOLDEN KINGDOM OF JESUS CHRIST” can hardly wait to hear the trumpet. The Bride of Christ has eyes trained on the sky and is looking for Him any moment. Even caring what happens in the next election takes a heart that can be true first to the Gospel but also care about the direction of our world until He comes. A people radically “Born Again” will never be seduced away from the Hope of seeing Him in the sky. Post-Millennialism or Dominionism is utterly foreign to a Rapture Ready saint. Even a whisper of saving this world from the impending judgment is not thinkable. Let’s take a final look at this book that leans toward Dominionism.

There are a number of warning signs concerning this “Fable”.
1. Those that support it are ferocious at those who are warning everyone.
2. The book claims a prophetic message that totally bypasses the pre-tribulation rapture or the coming appearance of a personal Anti-Christ.
3. This book claims that repentance will save the world from the impending destruction and dark tribulation.
4. The prophet presented in this book is a paranormal psychic. His person is totally occultic.
5. Scriptures he uses are utterly imagined, taken out of context, and have no collaboration with New Testament confirmation. They are not rightly divided as commanded by the Bible.
6. The Bible warns, “Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.” (Luke 16:15) When the New World Church groups loves it, we cannot endorse it or take it seriously.

There has been a lot of flak over my discernment of this book. I think anyone can read what I have said and see that no one has been attacked. I have spoken only in a kind way about the author or others who differ among us Pre-Tribulation believers. Yes, I’m strong about the New Wave Charismatics and their Dominionism teaching, but not unkind about them as individuals. When I see doctrines or ideas that confront End Times truths I act quickly and courageously. I believe the devil will design suttle and strong attacks against the “Glorious Hope Of Christ’s Coming and The Great Tribulation To Follow”.

Here is an e-mail sent to me last Saturday after the broadcast by a dear lady named Jan Markell that disagreed with me. I know nothing about her, so I certainly have no maliciousness or anger. She had written an article the week before calling those that have spoken with discernment entitled, “When Christians Engage in Blood Sport”. Her e-mail to me was the following. “ What you’re doing is shameful. I have concluded you are motivated by envy. You are discrediting the world of eschatology. Please retire and stop embarrassing those of us who are scholars and who go about this properly.”

However, a faithful partner of our ministry had this to say in response: “My own personal thoughts: while I admit I am getting a bit tired of reading about “The Harbinger” ~ both good and bad… [ just like all the other stuff over the years that people.. Christians.. got on both sides of the fence over!! i.e. "The Passion of Christ" movie... and we could go on & on...] but my personal feelings aside because all I have to do is not read any more until we move forward with other subjects. But I wanted to say, Jan Markell: I’ve always been a fan of your updates & emails & sometimes share them with others. You seem balanced, a great watcher and indeed a “scholar”. But OUCH!! You just shot yourself in the foot here — showing your true feelings perhaps? Because if this was an accidental slipup, surely you’d take time to come back & apologize. I was taken aback the way you pounced all over Bro. Chambers. He is doing absolutely nothing that is “shameful”; I have met him & his wife at a prophecy conference [though surely they do not remember me; it was a long time ago] and can just almost bet the farm that he is NOT motivated “by envy”. Good grief! What an outlandish statement! Further: you stated he is “discrediting the world of eschatology”…. again!! OUTLANDISH!! Why I keep the level of enthusiasm of our Blessed Hope quite full ~ in part, many thanks to Joseph Chambers for taking time to remind us how very close we are to seeing Jesus, Savior and Lord! Please retire? Well, that’s up to him & the Lord, and not to be ordered by another. But this line got me the most: “and stop embarrassing those of us who are scholars” and go about this properly. Goodnight, Ms. Markell!! Just who do you think YOU ARE?? One of God’s top scholars who can tell all the other prophecy teachers what’s what? You remind me way too much of that old prophecy preacher (his name currently eludes me) but he’s crusty and rusty and teaches doctrinal error (I’m not saying you are doing that) but he had such a haughty air about him ~ actually telling people that if they had not studied prophecy for as long as he had, then they should “sit down and shut up”…. further, he dogmatically insists that he is right about everything!! He even said that the AntiChrist would have control only over the MidEast and Europe – and not the western world. How contrary to Scripture that is!! Revelation clearly states that the AntiChrist will have control over the WHOLE world!!! And the whole world, those names that are not written in the book of life, will bow down to him. Jan, I am not saying you are teaching this so do not even try to read it that way ~ I am merely saying you displayed the same dogmatic, arrogant attitude. Listen, I don’t agree with EVERYTHING Bro. Chambers says either – only most of it. But I don’t think it’s right to come stomping in here & beat up on a Christian brother & imply that you’re the only one who’s a “scholar”. Do you have any idea how many years this man has studied & preached? I’m sorry his take on “The Harbinger” does not agree with yours. But you could have challenged him on that; instead of beating up on him personally!! Since you chose to do that, I personally lost a ton of respect for you. Lastly, a note/reminder to all of us: folks these are DANGEROUS last days!!! It is so difficult to tell the wheat from the tares. THANKS RJ!!!!

It was the scholars that gave us “the misinterpreted” NIV Bible. It was the scholars that gave us the new NIV, which presents a “gender-friendly” edition. It was scholars that gave us the “lying/paraphrased” Bibles and promoted the “Emergent Church”, “The Purpose Driven Life” and thousands of books, sermons, and compromises that have practically destroyed the American Church. All kinds of destructive ideas, books etc. are from “scholars”. One after the other of these “scholars” are telling the world that you can live in sin, homosexuality, fornication and still go in the Rapture without repentance and a total return to Christ. The Bible and its messages are being watered down to a dangerous mixture and I am dedicated to speaking the truth regardless of the attacks.

Radio broadcast at link:

www.pawcreek.org/open-bible-dialog/the-harbinger-fable-and-post-millennialism

[Javanut]

I've read it - the gist of it is good - that America needs to repent and we have thumbed our noses at God for too long.

How the author gets there - is very bad exegesis. America is NOT the northern kingdom of Israel so his whole premise falls right away.

It's readable - might take you 3-4 hrs. Worth it if you want to know what people are talking about.

[popcorn]

Hi Javanut!

Nice site! I will post it in the links to other Sites.
www.ruachfellowship.org/
;D

[emortimer]

OK OK
is this like Left Behind series type of read? Or is this a that starts out on the Bible and then veers off to the side or away from the Bible?

Like Joel Rosenberg books I loved them (waiting on the next one) and did not know where this Harbinger comes out as ;D ;D

Help a poor man who has no clue

[baydoll]

The Continuing Storm Surrounding Jonathan Cahn’s “The Harbinger”

~ Fred Deruvo from Study Grow Know



Jan Markell (Olive Tree Ministries) has issued an “apology” on WND (Worldnetdaily.com) because of the way certain individuals have reacted to Jonathan Cahn’s best-selling book “The Harbinger.”

She firmly believes that “It says in the book of Daniel that some mysteries would be sealed up until the end and then they would be revealed. Could the ‘Harbinger’ message be one of them? I think so.”

Daniel 12:4 may just as easily speak of the fact that as time progresses toward the end of this age, it will be far easier to understand them because for the most part, they will be the past (regarding the empires that Daniel speaks of and their progression) and simply due to the level of our technology today. It also may mean that there will be a greater understanding of the mystery of lawlessness as evidenced by Antiochus Ephiphanes in 168BC that was in front of Daniel still. Since Daniel wrote these things before any of the things he wrote about had occurred (with the exception of Babylon’s kingdom under Neb), it seems to me that with the passage of time, things have become much clearer.

Jan states, “So why am I apologizing? Some in the discernment crowd are having a field day over something that may be God’s final warning to America. It may even be a final warning to individuals to get right with God. It’s a wake-up call to the church. I am referring to Jonathan Cahn’s book “The Harbinger” and the related film produced by Joseph Farah, “The Isaiah 9:10 Judgment.” [1]

Jan’s difficulty is that people are critiquing Cahn’s book negatively and to her, it appears as though they are also assassinating Cahn’s character. Later in her apology, she notes that not one of these reviewers has taken the time to attempt to contact Cahn about his book. My question would be…why would they need to do that? Doesn’t Cahn’s book speak for itself? Isn’t it an accurate representation of what Cahn actually believes? If not, then he is a terrible writer for people to come away with impressions about the book that Markell, James, and others believe are completely baseless. If his book does accurately reflect what he personally believes about America and Israel and Isaiah 9:10, then why is there further need to contact him for any type of clarification? That’s not the way it works with book reviews. What, before I review any book or before someone reviews mine, there is an unstated obligation to sit down with the author and essentially interview them over areas of the book that are grounds for disagreement? Absurd.

It’s not as if Cahn wrote a 2 to 3 page pamphlet. He wrote a book that contains 272 pages – plenty of time to adequately explain himself. If he failed, then the failure rests with him.

Markell summarizes Cahn’s book in this manner: “If you haven’t read the book or viewed the DVD, Cahn takes nine warnings to ancient Israel and uses them as a signal to America. Israel was warned. America is being warned. Israel shook a fist at God, and America may follow suit – but some, like Cahn, are trying to stop the train wreck.” [2]

Unfortunately, that is a vast oversimplification of Cahn’s message. He does far more than simply announce that Israel was warned and now America is being warned. He uses Isaiah 9:10 and other Scripture as a jumping off point to actually connect America with Israel. I have my sincere doubts that God is warning our nation of judgment either. God is warning the entire world of impending judgment that is coming in the form of The Tribulation/Great Tribulation. The entire world is going to be fully immersed in it.

Does Markell and others believe that if, somehow, this nation could turn around (I’m guessing that means through our leaders), we would somehow not be part of the worldwide judgment that is coming?

Jan Markell also believes that God used Cahn because he is Jewish (a Messianic Jew), which is as it had to be apparently and according to her. This is also absurd to me. Why does it “have” to be that way? I know some Messianic Jews who are so off-based in their theology, it’s absolutely pitiful, but you can’t tell them anything because they are Jewish and they have the Scriptures.

Do we need to be reminded that Peter was rebuked by both Jesus and Paul for his error? He was Jewish too.

Regarding just exactly what Cahn is doing, Markell states, “Jonathan Cahn is not marching up and down Main Street wearing a sandwich board that says, ‘Repent, America.’ He has connected some very mysterious dots on a map that started on 9/11. Each dot is a harbinger. They make perfect sense.” [3]

No, it really does not make sense, especially when you actually read Cahn’s book. Cahn’s message is very convoluted and at times, confusing, and it tries very hard (stretching credulity in several spots) to make a connection between the ancient Assyrians who came against Israel for instance, and the terrorist of today who comes against the world and America. In fact, Cahn tries to show that the language the Assyrians used is essentially the same language that Arabs use today, or that there is a thread of commonality.

Frankly, Jan’s comments saying that Cahn is not marching up and down the street calling America to repent are odd, as if there is something inherently wrong with that? What is wrong with coming out and telling people directly that they need to repent and explaining exactly what that means? Nothing.

Read the rest here:

studygrowknowblog.com/2012/06/11/the-continuing-storm-surrounding-jonathan-cahns-the-harbinger/

Also, there is an update-

Update: 06/13/2012
We inadvertently quoted whom we believed to be Terry James (from Rapture Ready) throughout this particular post because the quotes come from a page on the Terry James’ Rapture Ready website. What we failed to realize is that the entire contents of that page is actually a rebuttal written BY Jonathan Cahn regarding T. A. McMahon’s review of his book, “The Harbinger.” This realization came to us in the form of a letter sent to us from Jonathan Cahn and the contents of his rebuttal are exactly what is posted on Terry James’ Rapture Ready website. The comments that are credited below as coming FROM Terry James should really be credited as coming FROM Jonathan Cahn. We apologize for attributing to Mr. James what are actually the words of Jonathan Cahn.

[wateredseeds]

emortimer,

It is based on a theological assumption, but is complete fiction. While Jonathan Cahn does indeed believe the theological assumption of the book he wrote, and has since come out with a dvd teaching based on it......it is fiction. As long as someone understands that there is a difference between the U.S. and Israel, then you can probably understand what is applicable and what is not.