Rick Warren learned from communism. Question

[Dagvelia]

I know I seen a video of Rick Warren saying he learned how to "do church" from communism on YouTube but for the life of me I can't find it anywhere now. Does anyone know what I'm talking about?

[PrisonerOfHope]

I haven't heard that specifically, but I know that Brannon Howse often talks about how Warren leans towards socialism. Go to his website - www.worldviewweekend.com/ - and put "Rick Warren Communism" or "Rick Warren Socialism" into the search box, and a bunch of hits come up. I know he believes Warren is a communitarian.

Popcorn is also on top of what's happening on YouTube a lot; let's see if he knows of anything else.

[popcorn]

You can try your favorite button and in there are 3 tabs, one is a history tab for your web browser.

On youtube they have a search function too.
rick warren exposed, false teacher, false prophet try different searches.

I found this one on you tube

A Call for Discernment Dangerous Doctrine of Prosperity Movement exposed!!

Published on Aug 15, 2012
Justin Peters exposes the origins of the Word Of Faith movement. Amazing evidence!!!

[PrisonerOfHope]

I found a bunch more programs about Warren and socialism/communism at this link; just enter the words in the search box:

www.fightingforthefaith.com/

[PrisonerOfHope]

This is Brannon Howse's program from yesterday; I was just listening to it. He was talking about all the so-called "evangelicals" who are signing these socialist covenants, and Rick Warren is one of them.

This program will be available to listen to for about two weeks, but if anyone doesn't have time to listen to it before then, you can download the MP3.

www.worldviewweekend.com/radio/audio/brannon-howse-aired-february-14-2013

[popcorn]

I posted this in the media folder.

click to listen: ;D
media.worldviewweekend.com/sites/default/files_wvw.com/audio_legacy/ac6b2533c3078ba7b150db5c4da631867f59abcd0325ee6a19877d1c62ff4f24.mp3

[Summergirl]

www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Rick+Warren++%27do+church%27&qpvt=Rick+Warren++%27do+church%27&FORM=VDRE

There are a beaucoup videos on this link.

Maybe one of them has what you were looking for originally.

[Dagvelia]

Thanks. I'll check it out. About 4 or 5 years ago I could just google "Rick Warren communism" and videos would pop up showing him saying that he learned how to do church by communism. It's weird that I can't find any of them now.

[baydoll]

I couldn't find the Youtube video but I did find this article:

Warrenism:

Rick Warren’s Religious Communism

Part 1



by

Karen Pansler-Lam, J.D.







Why doesn’t Rick Warren openly admit he’s a communist?



Like Jim Jones, Rick Warren has beguiled and bewitched many professing Christians into blindly joining his cult of religious communism.



When a man persuades millions of professing Christians into following his corrupted communist interpretation of the Bible…it’s a religious cult.



When a man persuades millions of professing Christians to rebel against evangelism and replace it with communist activism…it’s a religious cult.



When a man persuades millions of professing Christians to rebel against righteousness and holiness and replace it with communist good works…it’s a religious cult.



Generally, cult leaders have charisma. Hitler was an animated orator and won the people with his powerful words of persuasion. However, Rick Warren lacks charisma. He has a bland personality and appears to be of average or below average intelligence. So, how did this man bewitch millions of professing Christians into joining his cult of religious communism?



First, what is a cult?



In 1948, The New Century Dictionary defined cult: “Worship, now, a particular system of religious worship, esp. with reference to its rites and ceremonies; hence, an instance of a fixed, almost religious veneration for a person or thing; esp. as manifested by a body of admirers.”



Then when politically correct indoctrination began, The American Heritage Dictionary (1980) added a new definition of cult: “1. A system or community of religious worship and ritual, especially one focusing upon a single deity or spirit. 2. Obsessive devotion or veneration for a person, principle, or ideal.”



Unquestionably, the first definition of cult as focusing on a single deity or spirit is meant to persuade us into believing Christianity is a cult. Liberals are liars who purposely redefine words, rewrite history, and reinterpret Scripture to force them to fit their evil agenda.



The second definition describes what happens when people begin to worship a person or ideal. For example, in years past, persons worshipped diabolical men disguised as saviors: Hitlerism, Stalinism, Leninism, and so forth.



And now we have another cunning and diabolical man disguised as our savior – Rick Warren. And many professing Christians worship him and his PEACE plan that promises to bring peace on earth. Hence...Warrenism: the worship of Rick Warren and his religious communism.



Undeniably, Warren’s devious master plan is to transform the church into a militant religious army to destroy nationalism and build an international communist government – a one-world government. And Warren is brainwashing professing Christians into becoming militant activists of Global Communism.



To begin this series, we will compare Warren with another cunning and diabolical cult leader who used religion to preach communism...Jim Jones.





Jim Jones and Rick Warren



Not surprisingly, Rick Warren and Jim Jones have something in common; namely, communism.



Jim Jones was bewitched by communism and purposed in his heart to demonstrate his love for Marxism. In his own words, Jones’ explained in a biographical recording…



“I decided, how can I demonstrate my Marxism? The thought was, infiltrate the church. So I consciously made a decision to look into that prospect.”



Surprisingly, a Methodist superintendent welcomed Jones into the church with full knowledge Jones was a communist.



Whether Rick Warren was a communist before going to seminary is unclear. Possibly he was indoctrinated with communist ideology in seminary. But, like Jones, he purposed in his heart to demonstrate his communism by infiltrating religion.



Surprisingly, the once conservative Southern Baptist Convention, Assemblies of God, Church of God, and other Evangelicals welcomed him with open arms and embraced religious communism. And today they not only embrace Warren...they worship him. This worship is Warrenism. And Warrenism is communism.



Warrenism is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. It appears to be Christian, but it is really the devouring gospel of communism. Warren is working to help bring all nations under bondage to Global Communism.



Briefly, under Global Communism, national independence is destroyed and countries are enslaved to a global government. For example, even now some United States National Parks are controlled by the United Nations. These U.S. parks are called “World Heritage Sites." In other words, the parks don’t belong to the United States; they belong to the world community.



Can you see how cunning politicians are confiscating property from nations in the name of global community? That’s communism!





Warrenism: A Classless Global Community



In 1956, Jim Jones opened his first Pentecostal church and named it Wings of Deliverance. But later that year he renamed it the Peoples Temple Full Gospel Church. In order to increase publicity, the Temple organized large religious “conventions” with other Pentecostals to disguise the fact that he was using religion to further social goals, not preach the true Gospel.



The Temple stressed egalitarian ideals, asking members to attend in casual clothes so poor members would not feel out of place, and providing shelter for the needy.



Likewise, Rick Warren asks members to wear casual clothes supposedly to make church welcoming to sinners. But his true purpose is to stress egalitarian ideals. If we all dress down it is a step toward a classless community. Not just a classless economic society, but also a classless cultural community.



Warrenism promotes a classless community by encouraging us to dress down.





Warrenism: Social Services, Not Salvation



Also, Jim Jones provided shelter for the “needy.” And Rick Warren stresses good works such as helping the needy in his diabolical PEACE plan. Wolves in sheep’s clothing know the best way to prey on professing Christians is to get them to idolize them for their humanitarian works.



In 1959, Jones’ church joined the Disciples of Christ, and was renamed the Peoples Temple Christian Church Full Gospel. And in the same year, Jones began his “us versus them” message. And he carefully wove in the message that the Temple’s home for senior citizens was established on the basis of “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need,” quoting Karl Marx’s “Critique of the Gotha Program.” He knew that Christians would recognize the similarities with Acts 4:34-35 stating “distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.” Jones repeatedly cited that Scripture to paint Jesus Christ as a communist, while at the same time attacking much of the text of the Bible.


And in 1960, the Temple opened a soup kitchen for the poor, and expanded their social services to include rent assistance, job placement services, free canned goods, clothing and coal for winter heating.



Later, Jones and his church were praised for aiding the cities’ poorest citizens, drug addicts, and the homeless. The Temple established strong connections to the California state welfare system. In the 70s, the Temple owned and ran nine residential care homes for the elderly, six homes for foster children, and a state-licensed 40-acre ranch for developmentally disabled persons.



And the Temple’s public profile was further elevated when Jones was appointed to the Indianapolis Human Rights Commission.



Are you beginning to see the numerous similarities between Jones and Warren?



Rick Warren also preaches an "us versus them" message. Who are "them?" Bible Christians or those who believe in the fundamentals of the Bible. In a January 8, 2006, interview in the Philadelphia Enquirer, Warren stated: "Christian fundamentalists will be one of the biggest enemies of the 21st century."



Clearly, Rick Warren sees Bible Christians who hold to the basic foundational doctrines of the faith as enemies. And he has instructed pastors and other church staff to bully and demean congregations into submission to communism or deal with them harshly.



Just as Hitler had his Gestapo, Warren has his Gestapo...



Church Transitions, an associate of Saddleback Church in California, trains the Warren Gestapo initiating the change:

1. Identify those who are resisting the changes;
2. Assess the effectiveness of their opposition;
3. Befriend those who are undecided about the changes;
4. Marginalize more persistent resisters;
5. Vilify those who stay and fight; and
6. Establish new rules that will silence all resistance.
www.nowtheendbegins.com/pages/cults/the-purpose-driven-church-rick-warren.htm





At the end of this message, go to the link to hear the audio of Warren admitting he learned how to develop campaigns for his church from the communists.



Moreover, Warren boasted he is a member of the Illuminati’s Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53688

The mission of the CFR is to redefine American policy and have us – the United States - join a global government.



Undeniably, Warrenism intends for us to become enslaved to a one world government of communism. Global Communism is contrary to the Bible as clearly evidenced when God scattered man to quash his building the Tower of Babel.



And Warrenism is just another name for redistribution of property and wealth. In other words, the working nations must provide the “needs” of the lazy nations because we are a world community….communism.



And United States land does not belong to Americans…it belongs to the world community.



Warrenism demands greater government intervention to seek a more equal distribution of “needs” - property and income - among the members of the world community.



Warrenism seeks to establish a new classless society collectively controlled in the interest of the whole people – the world community…Global Communism.







Warren’s Outline of His Evil Empire



Just as Hitlerism was outlined in Hitler’s Mein Kampf, Warrenism is outlined in Warren’s PEACE plan.



Basically, Warrenism is the abolition of poverty, unemployment and social classes, and the sharing of all the wealth of the world community. This is to be achieved by ensuring an adequate minimum for all, and to limit within reasonable bounds the degree of inequality above this minimum. A minimum standard of living – hence, global government welfare where the productive nations, such as the United States, provide for the lazy persons and lazy nations – the “needy.”



Warrenism’s communist manifesto is his PEACE plan. In his manifesto, Warren maps out his evolutionary plan from a class to a classless society; from a national citizen to a global citizen, from individual responsibility to communal responsibility.



And his purpose-driven communist propaganda is the vehicle for social change, and followers are his “change agents.”



Warrenist propaganda has been, above all, an attempt to bring the organized church over to a faith in communism, to permeate the churches with communist ideas, and to create a New Church Order with communist doctrines.



Jim Jones wrote a booklet “The Letter Killeth” pointing out the contradictions, absurdities, and atrocities in the Bible, but also stating the Bible contained great truths. Jones preached that the “Divine Principle” equated with love, and love was equated with socialism.



Warren wrote The Purpose Driven Life using countless corrupted Bible versions to deny sound doctrines and support communist doctrines. Warren preaches love and love is equated with globalism. The Purpose Driven Life is religious communist propaganda of mind control and behavior modification disguised as Christian teaching.



In sum, like Jim Jones, Warren realized the way to achieve social change in America was to mobilize the people through religion. And Warrenism is a cult with an overtly political message of global communism.



Like Jim Jones, Rick Warren has beguiled and bewitched many professing Christians into blindly joining his cult of religious communism disguised as Christianity.



Jones did not reveal his gospel was actually communism until the late 1960s.



Now is the time for Rick Warren to openly admit his social gospel is actually Global Communism.


Link: www.libertyadvocate.com/Warren's%20Religious%20Communism.htm

[Dagvelia]

Thanks baydoll, that was good.

Well, I guess the video isn't out there anymore but I found a partial transcript of it on someone's blog. Here it is.

After being praised by Mr. Wood for his great leadership abilities and his influence on all the churches in America, Rick loosened up a bit more and went on to explain where, exactly, his idea for the 40 Day, and other notorious campaigns came from. Rick said,

"You know, (he stuttered a little bit here,)" by- by-- by doing these, um, "campaigns...." (His tone changed a little bit, ) "I-I actually learned the idea of a campaign, from the communists, (Rick laughs a little... probably nervous laughter,) "of all people." (Still almost chuckling, he continued explaining, )"Years ago, there was a book written, called, Dedication and Leadership. It was written in the fifties, by the head of the Communist Party of England, who converted to Christ. He actually became a Catholic. And he wrote this book on what the Church could learn from the Communists... not about "doctrine"...but you know, we know our doctrine, but "what were some of the tools that they used to help win converts to Communism," and he wrote this book called Dedication and Leadership. It is still in print, by, a Notre Dame Press. It's not a very well-known book.... but it's Douglas Hyde--if you are a pastor and you want to pick it up..."


This is from chapter one of Dedication and Leadership by: Douglas Hyde found on christianbook.com

"We shall be looking at the communists, not in order to attack, not to prove them wrong, but rather to see what they have to teach us."

Learning from the communists how to "do church". Hmmm... how about learning from God and His Word? Bet he never thought of that one.