Did Jesus give the name of Anti-Christ?

[Summergirl]

This video says, "I report, you decide" and has the Hebrew
translation for Jesus' words, and it all comes down to

the phonetic sound of someone we all know and 'love' lol

[popcorn]

1Jo 2:18 ¶ Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

I think he is just one of the many? ???

[Summergirl]

With all that has come down the pike in the last year
from Obamanation, I am wondering if there is some re-thinking
on the possibility of this monster-from-hell being the
long-awaited Anti-Christ? He has survived innumerable
legal cases, ignores the subpoenas to attend the cases
against him, is not penalized, has issued so many
illegal executive orders w/o Congress's input, says
he needs only his 'pen' to issue mandates, and if you
read the blogs that I do, concerning his actions behind
the scenes, you would see that he is not only an illegal
usurper, but a plant by some unknown entity, designed
to destroy America from within.

How many 'presidents' would still be in office
after ordering 3 officers to set off a nuclear bomb
off the East coast? They refused the order or
hundreds would have died; this was back in October.

Did that little tid-bit ever hit the main news media?
I don't think so. I had to read it on a blog which
posts the daily actions of this madman.

He may be one of 'many' who have committed barbaric
actions against Christians, even now in other countries.

But when it comes to being a global image, seen around
the world as a tyrant and a fool, he fits the bill:
a man of lawlessness, preferring men to women,
and his 'god' is not our God.

Everyday he issues more laws to undermine our country.
And no one comes forth from our military to handcuff
him for sentencing to the gallows.

Why not? He is supernaturally protected.

[schwartzie]

No, he's not - he doesn't fit all the Biblical descriptions, not to mention, the AC will be a brilliant man who is loved worldwide, not a buffoon who is scorned and mocked.  In any case, we're told to look for JESUS CHRIST, not ANTICHRIST! 


Is Obama the Antichrist?



More than one Christian friend has suggested to me, in all seriousness, that President Obama is the Antichrist. I haven’t taken such suggestions too seriously, but recently a video has shown up on Youtube that seems to claim that Jesus identified Obama as the Antichrist. Some Christians have been startled by this (and the video is wildly popular) and believe that the evidence is compelling. The video is found here.

The anonymous narrator introduces his provocative four-minute video by asking if Jesus identified the name of the Antichrist, then says, “I will report the facts; you can decide” (reminiscent of Greta Van Susteren’s tagline on her show on Fox News). The narrator then notes that in Luke 10.18, Jesus says, “And he said unto them, I beheld Satan falling from the heavens.”

He then begins to link several hypotheses together. First, he claims that Luke 10.18 was written originally in Greek, but that Jesus spoke these words in Aramaic, “which is the most ancient form of Hebrew.” Second, he observes that the Old Testament was written in Hebrew and claims that the Aramaic that Jesus spoke would have been quite similar to the Hebrew that is spoken today and, presumably, similar to the Hebrew of the Old Testament. Third, he then says that Jesus spoke these words in Hebrew, and retranslates the text as follows: “I saw Satan falling as lightning from the heights, or from the heavens.” Fourth, he discusses the Hebrew words for ‘lightning’ and ‘heights.’ He notes that the word for ‘lightning’ is baraq. Fifth, he claims that Isaiah is the source of the Christian understanding of Satan or ‘Lucifer’ (Isa 14.12 in the KJV). Sixth, Isa 14.14 has Satan say, “I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the Most High.” Seventh, the Hebrew word in Isa 14.14 for ‘heights’ is bamaw, and this is surely what ‘heavens’ means in Luke 10.18. Eighth, the Hebrew letter waw is sometimes transliterated as a u or o. Ninth, the waw is used in Hebrew as a conjunction. Tenth, in Hebrew poetry baraq obamah literally is translated “lightning and the heights” or “lightning from the heights.” Eleventh, if Jesus’ words in Luke 10.18 were spoken in Hebrew by a Jewish Rabbi today he would say, “And I saw Satan as baraq ubamah.” He concludes his narration by asking, “Did Jesus reveal the name of the Antichrist? I report; you decide.” There is a disclaimer at the end of the video that simply says the correlation is striking, but not that the narrator is claiming that the President is the Antichrist.

This video was followed up by another by the same narrator. You can see it here.

It essentially argues the same point, but changes a couple of points (without warrant).

What can we say about these videos and the linguistic argument used? Of the eleven points noted above, the fourth and eighth are the only ones that are indisputable: the Hebrew word for lightning is baraq; and the waw is sometimes transliterated as a u or o. The seventh point comes close to being correct: the Hebrew word for height is bamah, but the plural is used in Isa 14.14, bamot (pronounced baw-moat). As for the rest of the points, some are debatable, while others are factually wrong. Taking them in order: (1) It is debatable whether Jesus spoke most of the time in Aramaic; he may have done much of his teaching in Greek. It is also not true that Aramaic is the oldest form of Hebrew. (2) and (3) A sleight of hand has occurred here: First, it is claimed that Jesus spoke in Aramaic, but then it is claimed that he spoke in Hebrew. Which is it? Although the characters for both languages are the same, the vocabulary has some key differences, especially in vowel points but also often in the very consonants used. (5) and (6) Is Isaiah really the source for the Christian view of Satan? It may contribute to our understanding, but even that is disputed. The one passage that may speak about Satan is indeed Isa 14. But part of the reason for this being so interpreted is due to the influence of the KJV. At v. 12 the King James says, “O Lucifer, son of the morning!” The word lucifer, however, is simply a transliteration of the Latin Vulgate at this point. It is not another name for Satan. The Hebrew word, helel means ‘morning star’ or ‘shining one.’ Most modern translations (the NKJV is the only exception I found of the translations I checked) do not translate helel as Lucifer; rather they have ‘shining one,’ ‘day star,’ ‘morning star,’ etc. (cf., e.g., NET, ASV, RSV, NRSV, ESV, TEV, REB, NIV, TNIV, NAB, NJB, HCSB). Of course, there are still excellent scholars who believe that Isa 14 is ultimately a reference to Satan, though in the historical context it was directed at the Babylonian king. (9) This is true, but irrelevant. To have the idea of ‘lightning from the heights’ would normally require a preposition, not a conjunction (see next point). (10) It seems to be an illegitimate leap to say ‘lightning and the heights’ means the same thing as ‘lightning from the heights.’ Indeed, there is a perfectly good Hebrew word that means ‘from’: min. But that would produce baraq min-bamot. It’s getting more difficult to see the validity of the narrator’s linguistic points. (11) When all is said and done, the evidence is simply bogus. Jesus didn’t speak in Hebrew, and the Hebrew that is given here does not mean ‘lightning from the heights.’ Baraq ubamah means ‘lightning and height.’ But that can hardly be the underlying Aramaic (which is not Hebrew) for the Greek text of Luke 10.18. Thus, a linguistic leap from Greek to Aramaic to Hebrew, with the grammar and vocabulary changing along the way, is required to make Luke 10.18 mean what the narrator wants it to mean. This is hardly a case of “I report; you decide.” It is rather a case of “I’ll tell you only part of the evidence, and will use some fancy exegetical gymnastics to make everything fit; and based on the skewered evidence, you decide.”

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Now, to be sure, the President did say at one public meeting that the rumors that he was born in a manger are not true (!). I didn’t care for that comment (though it was in reaction to what many pundits, conservative politicians, and comedians had sarcastically said), nor do I care for many, if not most, of his policies. Perhaps he’s a little full of himself. And certainly there has been hype about him that goes beyond reason, some that is even blasphemous (e.g., Evan Thomas, of Newsweek, who said that Obama was ‘sort of God’ on MSNBC’s Hardball with Chris Matthews, to which Matthews replied, ‘yeah.’ It’s that kind of rhetoric that is more persuasive than the video, since it reflects the opinions of so many Americans and even the global community). But is he the Antichrist? In the least, the linguistic torturing required to make the biblical evidence say this is beyond the pale of reason and, perhaps, sanity.


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[schwartzie]

Now, this I could agree with:


Obama Is Paving The Way For The Antichrist, Claims Pastor Robert Jeffress In New Book 'Perfect Ending'

Though Pastor Robert Jeffress insists that he doesn't think that President Obama is the Antichrist, he does make the assertion that Obama's policies are opening the door for the Antichrist in his newest book, Perfect Ending. The Dallas, Tex., based pastor of First Baptist Church has been warning his congregation about Obama for years.

"Although President Obama is certainly not the Antichrist, his policies are paving the way for the Antichrist," explained Jeffress in a press release from his publisher.

According to the release, the book "focuses on understanding the often-confusing topic of Bible prophecy and explains how Christians can recognize prophetic events that may be taking place in our world—and America's government—today."

It appears that Obama's stance on marriage equality is one of the main policies that Jeffress considers to be a portent of the end times. An excerpt from the book published by the Dallas Observer states:

For the first time in history a president of our country has openly proposed altering one of society's (not to mention God's) most fundamental laws: that marriage should be between a man and a woman. While I am not suggesting that President Obama is the Antichrist, the fact that he was able to propose such a sweeping change in God's law and still win reelection by a comfortable margin illustrates how a future world leader will be able to oppose God's laws without any repercussions.

An "anti-christ" is mentioned only a few times in the Bible, and is generally interpreted as a particular enemy who will persecute believers around the time of the Second Coming of Jesus, whereupon Jesus will destroy the Antichrist.

This isn't the first time that Jeffress has warned people about the dangers of Obama's path. In a sermon at First Baptist Church before the November 2012 election, he urged people not to vote for Obama, saying that while he wasn't claiming that Obama is the Antichrist or not a Christian, but, "But what I am saying is this: the course he is choosing to lead our nation is paving the way for the future reign of the Antichrist.”


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[Summergirl]

If the maniac has a head wound and still survives,
the picture will become clearer.

Yes, we are to look for Jesus' return,
but we are also to be aware of the signs of
His coming, and one of the signs is the
2 Thess. 2:11,'God sends a strong delusion
that 'they' shall believe a lie.'

(in other words, be on the lookout for
the truth and not the delusion)verse 12

verse 3 is also pertinent... "let no man
deceive you for that DAY shall not come
except there come a falling away and the
man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition."

"He who letteth"... the Holy Spirit
..hinders this revealing until the Holy
Spirit removes Himself from Earth,
along with the believers, and then the
Wicked one is revealed
to the rest of the world.

Believers will have
had the Holy Spirit revealing this person, spiritually.

We will recognize the man of sin by his actions, words, misdeeds.

Whether we are discerning or not, is up to
the believer.

We can only speculate according to the unfolding
of the events as they transpire.

If Obama is still squatting in the White House
next year, (even this year) he is in the running
for becoming the infamous Anti-Christ, at least
in my book. He still has to carry out more acts of
persecution and defiance of God's will for us.

He is well on the way to satisfying those
requirements.

And for Obama to say that Netanyahu needs to be replaced...

hmmmm... wonder if the Jerusalem Temple is looking
like a liveable new 'White House' in his future.

What scriptures state that he is beloved world wide?
I don't find them.

Obama was 'loved' in the beginning by the blacks
and the illegals, for what they thought they could
get out of him, materialistically. He isn't 'loved'
so much anymore. They found he is a liar and a deceiver.

[PrisonerOfHope]

Obama is despised more and more throughout the world every day, and has become a laughingstock - he has the lowest approval ratings of any president in history.  There is no way he's the AC, who will be loved and adored by the entire world for the first 3 1/2 years of his reign - Satan is more subtle than to choose someone who is perceived as an evil and incompetent buffoon; he was used only to bring this country down.

Argument (and thread) is closed.