comet elenin in sept, question

[abeowitz]

ProdigalSon,

No one is exactly sure how the skies will look when Elenin is in position. Based on past comets, the sun will be covered with a sackcloth cloud for a few days.

On Sept 26th, it be a new moon, so the moon will be dark, but 'visible' against the comet clouds. As the moon waxes, it is possible the moon will be lit a different color due to the comet tail.

If Elenin is dense and large enough to shade the moon, then we will indeed not know the exact day/hour moonlight will be sighted by two witnesses. So, you can toss out your calendar.

I don't know when the Lord will return, but yes, have your lamps ready, because this is the most interesting Rosh Hashanna we've seen since Israel became a nation.

We have most of the elements present to match the Day of the Lord! Feast of Trumpets, Clouds of Heaven, earthquakes, etc.

I've posted some wild speculation here: (Sorry, it's too difficult to keep multiple threads on multiple forums sync'd.)
www.thewatchmanforum.com/feast-of-trumpets-2011-comets-rev-12-t416.html

Have a look and feel free to ask more questions...

[shann0]

If you could invent a forum syncer, you'd be rich! Thanks Abe.

[abeowitz]

Jul 22, 2011 17:07:29 GMT -5 prodigalson said:

It also hints at the important time this takes place: new moon. And when is light on the new moon important? Feast of Trumpets. The sounding of the trumpets begins when the first light is seen on the moon by two witnesses. (The last trump comes later.)

FEAST OF TRUMPETS 100 BLAST KNOWN AS THE LAST TRUMP, YOUR TALKING ABOUT THE LAST TRUMP OF REVELATION RIGHT?

Most scholars believe the trumpet judgments in Revelation are different from the Last Trump of the Feast of Trumpets.

Pastor Mark Biltz can tell it better than I can...

[shann0]

POH's thread on the Earthquake Revelation goes into the trumpets a bit, I recommend everyone listen!

harpazo.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=media&thread=622&page=1#2884

[shann0]

About the link I posted above, you must listen to all the parts to hear the part about the trumpets!

[abeowitz]

Jul 23, 2011 20:17:56 GMT -5 prodigalson said:

Ive heard it like 4 times, maybe I missed something. What are you saying?

Some post-tribbers believe the 7th trumpet in Revelation is the "Last Trump". Mark Biltz and others show enough evidence to me to disprove that. That's all.

[shann0]

I agree Abe. They are two different things.

Prodigal, the video I linked is only part 1 in a nine part series. In the latter parts of the series, they talk about the trumpets you are referring to.
If you want to listen to all parts, there are several video links that show up in the video window once part one is done. Roll your cursor over those to choose what vid you want next. Or go directly to YT and at the right hand side you will usually find a link to the next part.

[shann0]

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Comet races toward Earth at peak of God's holy days

Pastor asking: 'Will there be some type of magnetic pull? Will the poles shift?'

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Posted: July 31, 2011
12:15 am Eastern


By Joe Kovacs
© 2011 WND
In the summer of 1998, Americans raced into movie theaters for not one, but two major Hollywood productions featuring giant asteroids about to smash into Earth.

The films – "Deep Impact" and "Armageddon" – had plots so similar, many people confuse the two.

Now 13 years later, a newly discovered, real-life comet named Elenin is racing toward our home planet.

No, it's not an asteroid, and no, it's not on a crash course, but it is expected to be at its closest point to us – some 21 million miles – during the culmination of God's annual holy days mentioned in the Bible.

This has sparked a wave of speculation that it could be some sort of miraculous sign possibly heralding the long-anticipated return of Jesus to Earth.

Find out why Jesus created and celebrated festivals meant for His followers in "The Feasts of the Lord" DVD

It's coming!" thunders Paul Begley, a preacher at Community Gospel Baptist Church in Knox, Ind., in a YouTube video. "It's on its way and right in the middle of the Feast of the Trumpets, it is going to come through and get in between the Earth and the sun."



"We've only known about this thing six months, folks," he continued, reflecting the fact the comet was discovered here in the U.S. by Russian astronomer Leonid Elenin on Dec. 10, 2010, at International Scientific Optical Network's robotic observatory near Mayhill, N.M.

Begley wondered aloud what sort of physical effect the comet might have.

"Will there be some type of magnetic pull? Will the poles shift? Will there be some type of pull of gravity that creates earthquakes and tsunamis and volcanoes and hurricanes and tornadoes and cyclones and mudslides, forest fires? What's gonna go on?"

He notes the comet's nearest point to Earth will take place Oct. 16, during the Feast of Tabernacles, according to today's Jewish calendar.

"I'm here to tell you right now, we're getting closer and closer and closer and closer to the Second Coming of Jesus Christ," Begley said.

In the New Testament, Jesus predicted celestial signs concerning the end of this current age and His return to Earth to govern the kingdom of God.
•"And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory." (Mark 13:25-26)

•"And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven." (Luke 21:11)

A Space.com article noted, "Internet rumors about Elenin began spreading earlier this year. Its approach to Earth was blamed for shifting the Earth's axis by 3 degrees in February, precipitating the Chile earthquake, then shifting the pole even more to trigger the Japan quake in March."

David Morrison, a planetary astronomer at NASA's Ames Research Center and senior scientist at the NASA Astrobiology Institute, wrote, "Ignoring plate tectonics as the cause of earthquakes, they suggest that the comet exerted strong gravitational or electromagnetic effects on our planet."

When it was pointed out how small the comet actually is – just 2 to 3 miles wide – with no magnetic field and that it won't even pass very near Earth, rumors began to circulate about NASA withholding information about Elenin.

"Ironically, the inconspicuous nature of this comet plays into some of the conspiracy theories," Morrison told Space. "For people who are convinced the comet did cause the earthquakes, this proves that Elenin is not a comet at all, but a much more massive, and dangerous, interloper."



Elenin's nucleus could resemble that of Comet Hartley 2 seen here by NASA's Deep Impact mission.



Astronomer Colin Johnston at the Armagh Planetarium in Northern Ireland is among those trying to put disaster fears and 2012 hysteria to rest.

"As Elenin will not hit Earth," he said, "some have claimed instead that its gravitational effect on the Earth's interior will cause earthquakes and similar cataclysms on our planet, offering the recent disasters in New Zealand and Japan as harbingers of the horrors to come. This is nonsense. I estimate the comet's nucleus to have a mass of about 20 billion tons, which is vast in human terms, minute in astronomical terms. Compared to the gravitational effects of the moon and other planets, Elenin's effects will be immeasurably small. In fact, Dear Reader, your gravitational influence on the Earth as you sit reading these words is greater than Comet Elenin's will be at its strongest!"

Others agree.

Astronomer and blogger Ian Musgrave in Adelaide, Australia, has posted a frequently-asked-questions page online about this celestial glob of ice and rock that has less than a billionth of the tidal force of the moon.

"If the moon can't cause the poles to tip, cause massive tidal floods or earthquakes, Comet 2010 X1 Elenin won't. We've been closer to other comets before with no ill effect," Musgrave said.

"The comet will pass no closer to us than 84 times the Earth-moon distance," said Ray Villard at Discovery News.






Comet Elenin will be at its closest point to Earth in October, during the culmination of God's holy days. (courtesy: Discovery)



"The effects of the comet on Earth at closest approach will be as inconsequential as that of a mosquito slamming head-on into an ocean-going supertanker."

This is certainly not the first time some in the Christian community have made connections between the biblical feast days and events in outer space.






Total lunar eclipses often make the moon appear red



As WND previously reported, a minister who promotes the Old Testament roots of Christianity suggests a rare string of lunar and solar eclipses said to fall on God's annual holy days in 2015 could signal the return of Jesus.

Pastor Mark Biltz of El Shaddai Ministries in Bonney Lake, Wash., noted a coming rare phenomenon of four consecutive total lunar eclipses, known as a tetrad, and often called "blood moons" since the moon often takes on a bloody color.

He says during this century, tetrads occur at least six times, but what's interesting is that the only string of four consecutive blood moons that coincide with God's holy days of Passover in the spring and the autumn's Feast of Tabernacles (also called Succoth) occurs between 2014 and 2015 on today's Gregorian calendar.

"The fact that it doesn't happen again in this century I think is very significant," Biltz explained. "So then I looked at last century, and, believe it or not, the last time that four blood red moons occurred together was in 1967 and 1968 tied to Jerusalem recaptured by Israel."

He then started to notice a pattern of the tetrads.

"What's significant to me is that even before 1967, the next time that you had four blood red moons again was right after Israel became a nation in '48, it happened again in 1949 and 1950 ... on Passover and Succoth. You didn't have any astronomical tetrads in the 1800s, the 1700s, the 1600s. In the 1500s, there were six, but none of those fell on Passover and Succoth."

When checking the schedule for solar eclipses, Biltz found two – one on the first day of the Hebrew year and the next on the high holy day of Rosh Hashanah, the first day of the seventh Hebrew month. Both of these take place in the 2014-2015 year.

Biltz says, "You have the religious year beginning with the total solar eclipse, two weeks later a total lunar eclipse on Passover, and then the civil year beginning with the solar eclipse followed two weeks later by another total blood red moon on the Feast of Succoth all in 2015."

In February of last year, the astronomical community was dazzled with a spectacular unknown object that some felt could be a sign from God, as it they said it resembled a flying cross or a Star of David.






The Hubble Space Telescope observed a mysterious, X-shaped debris pattern and trailing streamers of dust that may have been the result of a head-on collision between two asteroids. Click image for larger view.




"The truth is, we're still struggling to understand what this means," comet expert David Jewitt at UCLA told Britain's Daily Mail. "It's most likely the result of a recent collision between two asteroids."


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