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Post by abeowitz on Jun 17, 2011 19:20:42 GMT -5
What are the chances comet Elenin will crown Virgo on the Feast of Trumpets (Sept 29) this year? What are the chances that Virgo will be 'pregnant' with both Venus and Saturn as they conjunct near the star Spica, (the branch of David)? What are the chances another comet, Honda, will rise out of the 7 headed dragon, Hydra, pursuing the 'child' in Virgo? Does this sound like Revelation 12? You bet. Now, I've taken some 'artistic license' in the colors and fragmentation of the comets, but this is not unprecedented. The positions of the comets and planets are accurate. Let's analyze Revelation 12:Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great sign in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve starsEvery Feast of Trumpets, the sun is in Virgo, and the moon beneath her feet, but we've never seen her crowned. However, on 2011-09-29, this Feast of Trumpets, Comet Elenin will crown Virgo! (It remains to be seen if comet Elenin will fragment into 12 parts. Some theorize Elenin is Nibiru, with several moons. I doubt it, but we should know more as it approaches.) Rev 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.Jesus said Rev 22:16 ... I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
The planet Venus has the nickname "Morning Star" or "Evening Star", since it is seen near sunset/sunrise long before/after other stars. Venus is in the 'womb' of Virgo at this time. It will be 'born' soon. Saturn represents the Anti-Christ, Satan, (as in Saturnalia), and will be 'born' around 2011-11-11. The star Spica is the branch/root of David. This conjunction represents the woman being pregnant with the branch of David, i.e. Jesus. Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.Comet 45P Honda will rise out of Hydra (the 7 headed dragon) to meet Regulus (the 'little king' star). Rev 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.Comet Honda will pass closer to Earth in mid August. (Closer than Elenin) It's tail will block the stars and rain debris. It's path pursues the 'child' in Virgo. Comet Elenin was discovered by Leonid Elenin - Leonid means Strength of the Lion. (As in Judah) - El means God. Anan means cloud. A slight mispronunciation: El-Anan ... Cloud of God? Comet 45P Honda was discovered by Minoru Honda in 1948 -- the year Israel was born. - Minoru (verb) means "to ripen,harvest,bear fruit". It also has the connotation of completion, accomplishment and fulfillment. (As in 'until the days of the gentiles is fulfilled.' ?) - Honda (name) means "field of origin". John 4:35 Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white ready to harvest. Comet Honda represents the dragon, and the fulfillment of the age of gentiles.
The Leo reference implies dispensation returning to the house of Judah for Israel.
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Post by abeowitz on Jun 17, 2011 19:30:24 GMT -5
While this is interesting, there's still plenty more to this sign. The path of comet Elenin seems to follow the pattern of the Jewish bridegroom coming for his bride. After the marriage covenant was established, the groom left his bride at her home and returned to his father’s house, where he remained separated from his bride for approximately 12 months. This afforded the bride time to gather her trousseau and prepare for married life. During this period of separation, the groom prepared a dwelling place in his father’s house to which he could bring his bride later (John 14:2-3). Only the father would determine when the dwelling place was finished (Matt.24:36; Mark 13:32).At the end of the period of separation, the father would give his blessing, and the groom would leave to meet his bride. He would usually come at night. The groom, best man, and other male escorts left the groom’s father’s house and conducted a torch-light procession to the home of the bride. The bride was expected to know the time of the bridegrooms’ coming, and therefore to be ready for him (1 Thess. 5:4-6; Luke 21:34-36. See also Rev. 3:3,10).The bride was expecting her groom to come for her, but did not know the exact time, as a result, the groom’s arrival was preceded by a shout, which forewarned the bride to be prepared for his coming (1 Thess. 4:16). The bride then left her home and went out to meet her bridegroom.
After the groom received his bride, together with her female attendants, the enlarged wedding party retuned from the bride’s home to the groom’s father’s house, where the wedding guests had assembled.
Shortly after their arrival, the bride and groom were escorted to the bridal chamber (huppah). Prior to entering the chamber, the bride remained veiled so that no one could see her face. While the groomsmen and bridesmaids waited outside, the bride and groom entered the bridal chamber alone and there consummated the marriage covenant.
After the consummation, the groom came out of the bridal chamber and announced the consummation of the marriage to the members of the wedding party waiting outside (Ps.19:5; John 3:29). Then, the groom would return to his bride in the chamber, and remain there hidden for 7 days, known as “the seven days of the huppah.†Afterwards, the bride and groom emerged from the huppah, but with the bride’s veil removed so that everyone could see who she was. They would then join their guests in the wedding feast (Compare Judges 14, Genesis 29:22-28, & Rev.19:7-9).
2010rapture.org/rapturetrueorfalse16.html
While many are quick to point out that no man knows the day or hour, and I agree, the bride would be alerted to the arrival of her husband with trumpets and shouting right after he left his father's house! (Leo) *IF* this is indeed the 'Sign of the Son of Man' coming for His bride, we will get alerts that the groom is on his way! Also, this follows the 7 year pre-trib rapture model. The bride is hidden in a room for 7 days (years). The room/huppah is represented by the constellation Cancer.
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Post by abeowitz on Jun 17, 2011 19:43:00 GMT -5
Let's take a look at Acts 1:9+
Acts 1:09 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. Acts 1:10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Acts 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
Notice several things:
1) Clouds took Jesus into heaven. 2) Two witnesses were present at the event. 3) They were all looking up into heaven.
Jesus will return exactly the same way.
3) We are to look up. Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh. 2) This could be when the two witnesses begin their 1260 day testimony. 1) The clouds are not terrestrial clouds. We're not talking cumulo nimbus here.
Let's dig deeper into the Word...
Mat. 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
These "Clouds of Heaven" are comets.
All eyes shall see the Son of Man in the clouds:
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
Can this be a low cloud that only local people can see? No. The only place ALL eyes can see the clouds and the Son of Man is moon distance or further. These clouds have to be in space.
Revelation 12 confirms this. John says the great sign appears in 'heaven' with the Sun and the Moon. This proves that heavenly signs are amongst the stars moon and planets. Jesus even says so.
Luk 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; ...
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Post by abeowitz on Jun 17, 2011 19:57:17 GMT -5
Ezekiel noted the same event as the other prophets, but his made a very crucial distinction: Eze 32:7 And when I shall put thee out, I will cover the heaven, and make the stars thereof dark; I will cover the sun with a cloud, and the moon shall not give her light."I will cover the heavens" - the tails of comets, especially close ones will cover the skies. Have a look at comet McNaught: "I will cover the sun with a cloud" - A comet cloud. "And the moon shall not give her light." This is important. The sun is covered with a cloud, but the moon is not. It is simply shadowed by the comet, depriving it of light. It also hints at the important time this takes place. New moon. And when is light on the new moon important? Feast of Trumpets. The sounding of the trumpets begins when the first light is seen on the moon by two witnesses. (The last trump comes later.) With modern astronomy, we can accurately predict when moonlight will return, but with this comet blocking the sun, we will indeed not know the exact day or hour. Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; Doesn't that cloud pattern look like sack cloth? More later..... Your comments and criticisms are welcome!
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Post by PrisonerOfHope on Jun 17, 2011 20:26:55 GMT -5
Terrific info - thanks for sharing it with us.
As the rabbis say, "Coincidence is not a kosher word!" ;D
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Post by abeowitz on Jun 17, 2011 20:44:24 GMT -5
I'm perilously close to setting a date here... ulp. But I can rephrase it this way: The Feast of Trumpets this year looks very important, given the signs in the heavens... I honestly don't have a clue, but at least we have something to look up at...
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Post by emortimer on Jun 17, 2011 21:14:21 GMT -5
The key is the feast of trumpets.... No One will know the day or the hour...... The feast is 2 days long and there is not a set time for it to start it is when they see the sky
If you also look it says at the last trump The feast is 100 blasts of the trumpet and it is done in sets of 3....which leaves number 100 to be blown by its self....the last trump
So no we do not know the day or the hour plus we do not know if it will be right when the last trump or the next day....he has not shown this to us yet or if it all
VERY good information and I have to go through it again since I did not know about the comets (or maybe I forgot)
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Post by abeowitz on Jun 17, 2011 21:28:05 GMT -5
Emortimer, Here's some great Feast of Trumpets info to 'feast' on...
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Post by emortimer on Jun 17, 2011 22:03:50 GMT -5
I started watching it then noticed an hour so i will wait till tomorrow... I just started getting interested in the Jewish events so I am a newbie but learning
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Post by prodigalson on Jun 18, 2011 1:22:48 GMT -5
You can download that feast of trumpets video as a podcast on your phone. Its awesome!
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Post by abeowitz on Jun 18, 2011 13:03:58 GMT -5
Let's take a look at 2011-11-11. *If* the rapture takes place around the Feast of Trumpets, the Anti-Christ will no longer be restrained, but free to become 'king' for a short time... Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.On the Feast of Trumpets, Mars is in cancer. This represents the God of War/Forces residing in the heavens. "And there was war in heaven..." But as comet Elenin (Aperion) makes its way to Cancer (huppah), Mars leaves Cancer and heads into Leo. It conjuncts with the 'King' star, Regulus on 2011-11-11, the SAME time Saturn (Satan/Saturnalia) is born out of Virgo. So, in other words, Rev 12 continues to be played out in the heavens above. (Some of it still remains a mystery, but not in conflict with this analysis.)
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Post by abeowitz on Jun 18, 2011 13:37:25 GMT -5
I HIGHLY encourage you all to study these signs and resources. Even if my conclusions are wrong, there's a lot of cool stuff to learn. Here are a few additional resources not listed above. These can be used to verify or refute this analysis... The Star of Bethlehem is a worthy watch. If the above analysis doesn't make sense, start here. He gives a great intro to biblical astronomy. Perry Stone did an excellent reenactment of the ancient Jewish wedding traditions. This is a must watch. I bought a copy, but you can watch here: (2 parts) E. W. Bullinger's "Witness of the Stars". In short, Bullinger discarded the Zodiac and recovered the original meaning of the stars/constellations. Before Moses wrote Genesis, the Gospel was in the stars. philologos.org/__eb-tws/default.htmThe path of Comet Elenin www.aerith.net/comet/catalog/2010X1/2010X1.htmlThe path of Comet Honda www.aerith.net/comet/catalog/0045P/2011.htmlThe astronomy program I use is called Stellarium. You can download it here: www.stellarium.org/ Add this to ssystem.ini so you can track comets Elenin and Honda... [Levy] name = Levy parent = Sun radius = 1000 oblateness = 0.0 halo = true color = 1.0,1.0,1.0 tex_halo = star16x16.png tex_map = nomap.png coord_func = comet_orbit orbit_Epoch = 2455920.50000 orbit_TimeAtPericenter = 2454015.926668582878 orbit_PericenterDistance = .9894335534352271 orbit_Eccentricity = 0.6720385476567582 orbit_ArgOfPericenter = 179.4481000524282 orbit_AscendingNode = 279.8033522954409 orbit_Inclination = 18.32124561737813 lighting = true albedo = 1
[Elenin] name = Elenin parent = Sun coord_func = comet_orbit radius = 1000 oblateness = 0.0 albedo = 1 lighting = true halo = true color = 1.0,1.0,1.0 tex_halo = star16x16.png tex_map = nomap.png orbit_Epoch = 2455588.500000000 orbit_TimeAtPericenter = 2455815.219397648595 orbit_PericenterDistance = 0.4824261698748532 orbit_Eccentricity = 1.000062170278321 orbit_ArgOfPericenter = 343.7987776241635 orbit_AscendingNode = 323.2343990765109 orbit_Inclination = 1.839490121004523
[Honda] name = Honda parent = Sun parent = Sun coord_func = comet_orbit radius = 1000 oblateness = 0.0 albedo = 1 lighting = true halo = true color = 1.0,1.0,1.0 tex_halo = star16x16.png tex_map = nomap.png lighting = false orbit_Epoch = 2453795.5000000 orbit_TimeAtPericenter = 2455833.247923955080 orbit_PericenterDistance = .5296100842793905 orbit_Eccentricity = 0.8246632036202548 orbit_ArgOfPericenter = 326.1542261940376 orbit_AscendingNode = 89.08532977876507 orbit_Inclination = 4.257316394821687
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Post by shann0 on Jun 18, 2011 20:18:59 GMT -5
Excellent thread Abe! This ought to keep me busy for several hours.
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Post by abeowitz on Jun 18, 2011 23:16:14 GMT -5
Excellent thread Abe! This ought to keep me busy for several hours. It is a fun study. Lemme know if anyone has questions... I don't know all the answers, but questions can lead to cool discoveries...
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Post by shann0 on Jun 20, 2011 20:11:56 GMT -5
I downloaded Stellarium! Now I just have to figure out how to work it. =P
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Post by emortimer on Jun 20, 2011 22:31:30 GMT -5
OK OK I agree with Festival of Trumpets and Rapture (waiting on last trump) You may have this up there but my brain is real fuzzy (weather change does that to me PAIN) what days are the comets tracking across in relationship to the feast?
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Post by abeowitz on Jun 20, 2011 22:53:02 GMT -5
I downloaded Stellarium! Now I just have to figure out how to work it. =P There are two toolbars. One on the bottom left, and one on the left bottom. Press F3 to search for stuff. The first thing you'll want to do is set your location. (Left tool bar.) Go through and set all your preferences. ** make sure you save defaults in the configuration window (F2) before you exit. ** To add Elenin and Honda, find and edit ssystem.ini. Append the quoted text from my resource post and restart Stellarium. (Or I can email you this file.) www.stellarium.org/wiki/index.php/Solar_System_Objects
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