Tim Kaine: “The Catholic Church Will Change Its Stance...

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Tim Kaine: “The Catholic Church Will Change Its Same-Sex Marriage Stance Or It Will Be Banned From The U.S.”

Written by eli The September 12th 2016




Democratic U.S. vice-presidential nominee Tim Kaine announced Saturday that he believes the Catholic Church will change its position on same-sex marriage. The Virginia senator said that just like he had changed his opinion on the issue, the Catholic Church is also likely to follow suit. Speaking at the 20th Annual Human Rights Campaign’s National Dinner in Washington, the Roman Catholic senator reportedly said, “I think it’s going to change because my church also teaches me about a creator who, in the first chapter of Genesis, surveyed the entire world, including mankind, and said, ‘It is very good.’”



“And besides,” he continued, “we are talking here about a country that was based and founded on democracy as a core value. By definition, that means that every single person and every single citizen is able – no, scratch that – encouraged to practice his civil, religious, and above all, sexual liberties to the best of their abilities. And I’m sorry that some people don’t like it, but to deny same-sex marriage in a country that should be the first one to accept it is just pointless. And the Catholic Church should also be accepting it instead of condemning it, which is what it’s doing right now.”



Kaine also added that, if all else fails, “there are ways of making the Catholic Church listen to the voice of reason,” which is how he dubbed all those who advocate LGBT equality. “At the end of the day, you know, we’re a civilized people, of course the first thing we’ll do is act nicely and ask nicely,” he said. “Then, if that doesn’t work, we’ll use our law and our legal system to enable ourselves to be who we are, or rather the LBGT community will do that – and it has. The Supreme Court’s ruling on same-sex marriage was a crucial milestone in our legal system that proves it works, it actually functions.”



“So, what I’m saying here,” he argued, “is that, while I respect the Catholic Church as I’m sure millions of Americans do, you know, at some point it is going to start acting contrary to the Christian faith, and we’re talking about an institution that’s supposed to be the first one on the front line defending it. So, when that happens, and that’s what’s happening with condemning LGBT rights, we’ll state an ultimatum. The United States of America, more precisely, the future President of the United States of America, Hillary Clinton, will state an ultimatum. And that ultimatum will be to either change its stance on same-sex marriage or pack its bags and get out of America. And yes – the President of the country can do that.”



“And in case anybody’s wondering – no, Donald Trump won’t do the same because he doesn’t care about anyone other than Donald Trump. On the other hand, Hillary Clinton is a shining example of honesty, integrity and democracy, and you can rest assured she will do everything in her power as the president to make sure gays and lesbians throughout America are loved, respected and viewed as equals during her presidential term. What happens after that is not our problem,” Kaine concluded.




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Snopes claims that Kaine never said the above, that the Catholic Church will be banned if it doesn't go along with same-sex marriage. Is Snopes correct?

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Oct 17, 2016 2:56:52 GMT -5 blunthead said:

Snopes claims that Kaine never said the above, that the Catholic Church will be banned if it doesn't go along with same-sex marriage. Is Snopes correct?

Snopes is run by a couple of extreme left-wingers, and rumor has it that George Soros helps to fund it - which, of course, Snopes denies!  If you peruse their website, you'll see they always claim that any story that makes leftists look bad is discredited. 

Here's the story from a reliable source:

Tim Kaine Tells Gays Catholic Church Opposition to Same-Sex Marriage ‘Is Going to Change’

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by THOMAS D. WILLIAMS, PH.D.12 Sep 20160

Over the weekend Vice-Presidential candidate Tim Kaine told a roomful of LGBT activists that the Catholic Church’s traditional opposition to same-sex marriage would change because God approves of homosexuality.


The Virginia senator, who describes himself as a “traditional Catholic,” spoke at the national dinner of the Human Rights Campaign on Saturday, assuring them of his “full complete, unconditional support for marriage equality.”



While acknowledging that his position on gay marriage “is at odds with the current doctrine of the church that I still attend,” Kaine went on to say, “But I think that’s going to change, too. I think that is going to change.”



Playing the armchair theologian, Kaine said that his support of homosexuality is rooted in the teaching of the Bible, and specifically the Book of Genesis.



“I think it’s going to change because my church also teaches me about a Creator, in the first chapter of Genesis, who surveys the entire world, including mankind, and says: It is very good. It is very good,” Kaine said, in an apparent reference to God’s alleged nod of approval for homosexual practice.



Kaine then suggested that opposition to gay marriage means to “challenge God.”



“I want to add: ‘who am I to challenge God for the beautiful diversity of the human family?’ I think we’re supposed to celebrate it, not challenge it,” Kaine said.



Same-sex marriage is not the only issue where Kaine parts ways with the Catholic Church. He has called himself “a strong supporter of Roe v. Wade,” and his perfect pro-abortion voting record in Congress earned him a 100% rating from abortion giant Planned Parenthood and high praise from the National Abortion Rights Action League (NARAL).



While the abortion lobby has showered Kaine with praise, several U.S. Catholic bishops have challenged Kaine’s claim to being a faithful Catholic by citing his open dissent from essential moral teachings of the Church.



In a Facebook post titled “VP Pick, Tim Kaine, a Catholic?” Bishop Thomas J. Tobin of Providence noted that Kaine “has been widely identified as a Roman Catholic” while at the same time “he publicly supports ‘freedom of choice’ for abortion, same-sex marriage, gay adoptions, and the ordination of women as priests.”



“All of these positions are clearly contrary to well-established Catholic teachings; all of them have been opposed by Pope Francis as well,” Tobin wrote, dashing the left’s spurious claim that Kaine is some kind of “Pope Francis Catholic.”



“Senator Kaine has said, ‘My faith is central to everything I do.’ But apparently, and unfortunately, his faith isn’t central to his public, political life,” Bishop Tobin concluded.



Similarly, in a recent column, Philadelphia Archbishop Charles J. Chaput also took issue with Kaine, as well as with the sitting Vice President, Joe Biden, the two most visible Catholics in American politics.



These two “prominent Catholics,” the Archbishop said, “both seem to publicly ignore or invent the content of their Catholic faith as they go along.”



Anyone who claims the Catholic label while not actually believing what the Catholic faith holds to be true and letting it guide their thoughts and actions “is simply fooling himself or herself — and even more importantly, misleading others,” he added.



Before introducing Kaine Saturday night, Human Rights Campaign’s president Chad Griffin called Republican nominee Donald Trump the “gravest threat” the LGBTQ community has ever faced in a presidential election.



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