rstrats
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Post by rstrats on Nov 22, 2021 17:17:09 GMT -5
There are some folks who think that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week. The Messiah said that He would be in the "heart of the earth" for 3 days and 3 nights (Matthew 12:40). Of those who think that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week, there are some who think that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb. However, a 6th day of the week crucifixion/1st day of the week resurrection allows for only 2 nights to be involved with the Messiah's time in the tomb. To account for the lack of a 3rd night, there may be some of those mentioned above who try to explain the lack of a 3rd night by saying that the Messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language. And that is the only issue of this topic, i.e., the commonality of saying that a daytime or a night time was forecast or said to be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could have occurred. I'm simply asking anyone who may fall in the above group of believers if they might provide actual examples/instances to support the belief of commonality.
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Post by Berean on Nov 25, 2021 1:21:39 GMT -5
The grave was to Christ as the belly of the fish was to Jonah. He continued in the grave just as long as Jonah continued in the fish's belly, three days and three nights; not three entire days and nights. It is probable that Jonah did not lie so long in the whale's belly, but rather part of three natural days (nychtheµmerai, the Greeks called them).
The evidence for the traditional Friday crucifixion, also known as Good Friday, is the prominent view for several important reasons. The Jewish reckoning of days included two components different from modern times. This included the day beginning in the evening (as in Genesis 1, evening and morning). Also, part of a day was counted as a full day. In this perspective, a Friday crucifixion was the first day. Jesus was buried on Friday afternoon before sunset (day 1). He remained in the tomb Friday night through Saturday afternoon (evening/day 2). Jesus continued in the tomb Saturday evening and rose on Sunday morning (evening/day 3), which was the third day. Note, the Bible says He was in the tomb for three days and three nights, using the aforementioned counting of time; nowhere does it claim Jesus was in the tomb for a full 72 hours.
Also, the Jews didn't have names for their days as we do; rather, they numbered their days. So “the first day of the week” in Greek (mia ton sabbaton) would literally be translated “day one after the Sabbath”. Mark 15:42 confirms this traditional view, claiming Jesus was crucified the day before the Sabbath. Jesus also taught He would rise on the third day (Matthew 16:21; Luke 9:22).
In the end, it doesn't matter which day Jesus rose from the dead; what really matters is that He died a literal death in payment of our sins, and rose bodily from the dead. 😋
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rstrats
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Post by rstrats on Nov 27, 2021 7:37:13 GMT -5
Berean,
I'm afraid your comments deal with issues for a different topic. Perhaps you might start one.
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Post by rstrats on Dec 2, 2021 8:13:00 GMT -5
Perhaps someone new visiting this topic may know of examples.
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Post by rstrats on Dec 5, 2021 13:11:34 GMT -5
And that "someone new" needs to be someone who believes the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with a 1st day of the week resurrection, and who thinks that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb, and who tries to explain the lack of a 3rd night by saying that the Messiah was employing common figure of speech/colloquial language of the period.
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Post by rstrats on Dec 24, 2021 8:54:07 GMT -5
In the end, it doesn't matter which day Jesus rose from the dead... It might. When asked by the scribes and Pharisees for a sign of his authority, the Messiah said that the only sign would be His time in the "heart of the earth" for three days AND three nights. If He didn't spend that time, then He would not qualify.
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Post by OmegaMan on Dec 25, 2021 19:23:04 GMT -5
As Matthew Henry wrote in his commentary on Matthew:
Jesus continued in the grave just as long as Jonah continued in the fish's belly, three days and three nights; not three whole days and nights: it is probable, Jonah did not lie so long in the whale's belly, but part of three natural days (nychtheµmerai, the Greeks called them); he was buried in the afternoon of the sixth day of the week, and rose again in the morning of the first day; it is a manner of speech very usual; see 1 Ki. 20:29; Esth. 4:16; 5:1; Lu. 2:21. So long Jonah was a prisoner for his own sins, so long Christ was a Prisoner for ours.
Seems to me you're trying to discredit the Lord's authority. 😠
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Post by rstrats on Dec 25, 2021 19:55:56 GMT -5
What the heck did I write that makes you say such a thing?
And it seems to me that that is what you're doing; suggesting that He didn't mean what He said.
And nowhere does scripture say that Jonah didn't spend at least a portion of each one of 3 daytimes and at least a portion of each one of 3 night times in the fish.
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Post by schwartzie on Dec 26, 2021 14:47:03 GMT -5
rstrats - Both Berean and and Omegaman gave sufficient, credible answers to your question. It's you who said that unless Jesus spent an entire three days and three nights in the tomb He didn't quality to be the Messiah.
This thread is CLOSED.
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