Rapture chat

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Rapture chat

This were 3dge got banned:
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Zec 14:3
Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

Zec 14:4
And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

Zec 14:5
And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.


2Th 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

I think that day is the day of the Lord and the day of Christ is the gathering before hand. You can see all the saints with him when the mountain is split ! wowy

2Th 2:2
That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

[OnThe3dge]

One thing they kept harping on was how cowardly it is to want to escape. But not only does Jesus Himself say that escape is something to pray for, I'm willing to bet that these brave, prepared super-saints would scream like little girls if they had to face even the mildest part of God's wrath.

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Philippians 3:20-21

For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, who will transform our lowly body that it may be conformed to His glorious body, according to the working by which He is able even to subdue all things to Himself.

scream like little girls

Yes I agree The day of the Lord should scare them, it does me. Fear God!

Amo 5:18

Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.

The 3 Woe's in revalation.

Rev 8:13,9:12,11:14,12:12
And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!

Rev 9:12
One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter.

Rev 11:14
The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

Rev 12:12
Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

[PrisonerOfHope]

Dec 20, 2013 21:26:56 GMT -5 OnThe3dge said:

One thing they kept harping on was how cowardly it is to want to escape. But not only does Jesus Himself say that escape is something to pray for, I'm willing to bet that these brave, prepared super-saints would scream like little girls if they had to face even the mildest part of God's wrath.

Most of the Christians in Third World countries would be probably be tough enough to survive (not that there's any reason for a Christian to suffer any part of God's wrath, since He says in His Word we're NOT appointed onto wrath), but the Americans and other Westerners?  Forget it! 

A couple of years ago on one end-times site (one that's reasonably sane) there was a thread title:  "I'm being persecuted for my faith!"  Curious, I opened the thread.  It was written by a woman who said she drove a van with "a picture of Jesus" on the wheel cover. (I hate those phony "Jesus" pictures!)  She had been shopping at a supermarket, and after she finished loading her groceries and got into her van, she backed up and hit a shopping cart.  She insisted that she knew for a fact that "someone put it there because of my Jesus picture, because it wasn't there when I got in the van."  She's probably right - after all, people don't ever just randomly leave shopping carts all over parking lots!   My goodness, how she survived such a tough trial is beyond me - it probably still traumatizes her to this day! 

Someone else (from one of the wacko boards) had an incident of persecution a year or so ago.  (Let me warn you, this was so horrible that I suggest you not read it if you're very sensitive, and by all means, don't let young kids read any further on this post!) 

She worked in a cubicle, and had a sort of sculpture/figure of the name "Jesus" on the shelf above her desk.  She came in one day and (remember my warning - it's not too late to stop reading!) - horror of horrors - someone had turned the "Jesus name" upside down!"   Can you even begin to imagine the horror of such a dastardly deed?  But wait, there's more!!!!  (Oh, this is just too terrible to contemplate!)  IT HAPPENED AGAIN A DAY OR TWO LATER!!!!   I expect the poor woman is in therapy to this day; I can'd imagine how anyone could possibly endure such a terrible thing!  Fortunately, she had several pages of posts from her friends on that board sympathizing with and comforting her - they unanimously agreed it was terrible to suffer such persecution! 

[OnThe3dge]

Dec 21, 2013 14:23:12 GMT -5 PrisonerOfHope said:

A couple of years ago on one end-times site (one that's reasonably sane) there was a thread title:  "I'm being persecuted for my faith!"  Curious, I opened the thread.  It was written by a woman who said she drove a van with "a picture of Jesus" on the wheel cover. (I hate those phony "Jesus" pictures!)  She had been shopping at a supermarket, and after she finished loading her groceries and got into her van, she backed up and hit a shopping cart.  She insisted that she knew for a fact that "someone put it there because of my Jesus picture, because it wasn't there when I got in the van."  She's probably right - after all, people don't ever just randomly leave shopping carts all over parking lots!   My goodness, how she survived such a tough trial is beyond me - it probably still traumatizes her to this day! 

Someone else (from one of the wacko boards) had an incident of persecution a year or so ago.  (Let me warn you, this was so horrible that I suggest you not read it if you're very sensitive, and by all means, don't let young kids read any further on this post!) 

She worked in a cubicle, and had a sort of sculpture/figure of the name "Jesus" on the shelf above her desk.  She came in one day and (remember my warning - it's not too late to stop reading!) - horror of horrors - someone had turned the "Jesus name" upside down!"   Can you even begin to imagine the horror of such a dastardly deed?  But wait, there's more!!!!  (Oh, this is just too terrible to contemplate!)  IT HAPPENED AGAIN A DAY OR TWO LATER!!!!   I expect the poor woman is in therapy to this day; I can'd imagine how anyone could possibly endure such a terrible thing!  Fortunately, she had several pages of posts from her friends on that board sympathizing with and comforting her - they unanimously agreed it was terrible to suffer such persecution! 

Ahhh, my eyes! 

One place I worked, I used to leave gospel tracts in the restroom. The next day someone would rip it in half and leave it there. As you can tell, I was scarred for life from that trauma. 

Totally agree though, there are some tough people who would endure, just as Christians have done through many real persecutions at the hands of man and Satan. But these anti- pretrib people who are so arrogant and confident would be in for a rude surprise if they were right. Any time they tell me I'm unprepared and will lose my faith, I tell them I look forward to seeing just how brave and strong they are. They never respond after that.

But I have to say, having people come to your blog and send hate mail threats is more than most mid- and post- tribbers have even dealt with. They seem to travel in mobs and lynch any pre-tribber they find. Never seen pre-tribbers do any such lynchings. And I have seen one undecided person say that they finally chose pre-trib for that very reason. Watching someone's character be assassinated over their eschatological views says more about the assassins and their beliefs than anything pre-tribbers argue.

[OnThe3dge]

Dec 21, 2013 8:21:07 GMT -5 popcorn said:

Philippians 3:20-21

For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, who will transform our lowly body that it may be conformed to His glorious body, according to the working by which He is able even to subdue all things to Himself.

scream like little girls

Yes I agree The day of the Lord should scare them, it does me. Fear God!

Amo 5:18

Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.

Agree! It really is scary.

Mid- and post-tribbers like to quote Amos and apply it to us, as if it's the wrath of God we long for and not our Groom. They look for the Antichrist but we look for the Christ.

[PrisonerOfHope]

So, 3dge (and others), do you think that only those who are looking for the rapture will be taken?  "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man." ~ Luke 21:36

Personally, if I were God, I'd let the "super-Christians" who are so haughty and prideful and always saying they'd be honored to "suffer for Jesus" stay behind and go through it all... 

[OnThe3dge]

Dec 21, 2013 14:55:17 GMT -5 PrisonerOfHope said:

So, 3dge (and others), do you think that only those who are looking for the rapture will be taken?  "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man." ~ Luke 21:36

Personally, if I were God, I'd let the "super-Christians" who are so haughty and prideful and always saying they'd be honored to "suffer for Jesus" stay behind and go through it all... 

Yeah, I'd be sorely tempted to give the "supers" what they demanded. But just as Lot had to be dragged out of Sodom, so also I think Jesus will grab the "supers" by the hand and yank them away from their delusions of grandeur. Saved is saved, and they are part of the Bride. Re. Luke 21:26, Jesus was saying this to Jews before the cross, and so I doubt that it applied to the as yet unknown church. But the reason I use it in debate is to point out that the very concept of escape is Biblical and honorable rather than cowardly.

[PrisonerOfHope]

Yes, Lot was sort of dragged out of Sodom, but don't forget - he had other children (and probably grandchildren) who were left behind!  (That's probably why his wife looked back.) So, did they not have faith in God or ???

[OnThe3dge]

Dec 21, 2013 15:54:40 GMT -5 PrisonerOfHope said:

Yes, Lot was sort of dragged out of Sodom, but don't forget - he had other children (and probably grandchildren) who were left behind!  (That's probably why his wife looked back.) So, did they not have faith in God or ???

Yes, but the church is unique. 

[PrisonerOfHope]

Yeah, many Christians are a peculiar people, alright! 

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Pre Trib Rapture Moment 20: Will There Be A Second AND A Third Coming?

[OnThe3dge]

I need to add the "too many comings" argument to my "refuting" blog page; will post link when done.

[OnThe3dge]

From Refuting Slander Against the Pre-Trib Rapture:

Claim: The PTR creates an extra coming of Christ.

Rebuttal: By that argument, Jesus should not come back at all, since the OT does not say the Messiah would come twice. And where does scripture even say how many times Jesus can or must come? Who decided that there is a "Second Coming" and not a third? We only know of the two comings in the OT by hindsight, noting that there are two sets of Messianic prophecies that could not both be true for a single coming. This sets a precedent for the future as well. We see in the NT two sets of prophecies regarding Jesus' return, and note that they both cannot be true for a single coming or appearing. So just as the OT said nothing about how many times the Messiah would come yet we know it's at least two, so also the NT says nothing about how many times Jesus will return yet we know it must be at least twice. And Jesus does not touch the earth when he comes for his Bride; they meet him in the air.

Main points:

1. The Bible never says how many times the Messiah must come.
2. The term "Second Coming" is our term, not the Bible's.
3. There is no reason Jesus can't come more than once.
4. The Rapture is not a "coming" like his first or last, since he does not touch the earth.