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Post by PrisonerOfHope on Dec 29, 2011 16:52:56 GMT -5
I'm seeing more and more blogs, posts, and YouTube vidoes by those who HATE the rapture, including some who say the rapture is a doctrine of demons and those of us who believe in it are damned. So many are "SUPER CHRISTIANS" who are going to prove their love for Jesus by enduring the tribulation - but don't you think that then makes their doctrine one of salvation by works, in which case they're following "another Jesus?"
A lot of them are Dominionists, whom we know are following a different Jesus, but more and more of them are from different camps - they just seem to hate our Blessed Hope.
What do you all think? Personally, I believe they don't know our sweet, tender-hearted Jesus who adores His bride and wouldn't do a thing to harm her.
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Post by shann0 on Dec 29, 2011 20:33:55 GMT -5
People may disagree, but I don't believe they are saved... It's a different Jesus they're believing in.
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Post by baydoll on Dec 30, 2011 7:52:07 GMT -5
I donno, it's a tough question. I think some may not know any better, particular new Christians who have been led astray by these wolves. The wolves, on the other hand are not (saved). Tares and wheat.
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Post by maeday5 on Dec 30, 2011 13:37:44 GMT -5
I donno, it's a tough question. I think some may not know any better, particular new Christians who have been led astray by these wolves. The wolves, on the other hand are not (saved). Tares and wheat. Dittos.....some are trusting in works, (not saved) some are new Christians, some are ignorant of premillennial, dispensational, teaching. |
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Post by baydoll on Dec 31, 2011 8:32:53 GMT -5
I agree, Mae. Also, some may start out believing this 'lie' and then later on as they mature in the faith and grow in their knowledge of God and His Word will come to know the truth (and the truth will set them free).  And then on the other hand... I've known some Christians who started out solidly Pre-Trib and then totally abandon their belief and become virulent anti-PreTrib. And then spend the majority of their time attacking (most viciously, I might add) those of us who do believe in Pre-Trib Rapture. Why I have no clue. It's like a war for them. A war against Pre-Tribbers.  |
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Post by shann0 on Dec 31, 2011 12:37:02 GMT -5
Right, I think that was POH's point. Is someone who viciously attacks their so called brothers and sisters in Christ really filled with the Holy Spirit? I don't think they are. They hate His glorious appearing, and they want to run for the hills with a 7 year supply of food and water. They do not believe the bible. This leads them into all sorts of error, such as Hebrew Roots movements etc.
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Post by maeday5 on Dec 31, 2011 13:30:37 GMT -5
Right, I think that was POH's point. Is someone who viciously attacks their so called brothers and sisters in Christ really filled with the Holy Spirit? I don't think they are. They hate His glorious appearing, and they want to run for the hills with a 7 year supply of food and water. They do not believe the bible. This leads them into all sorts of error, such as Hebrew Roots movements etc. Yes and some of them believe they will reform the world for Christ and present it to him as a glorious "gift'. They can be pretty nasty to rapture believers too. ( and their ranks are growing.) Why anyone wants to live in this sin stained world for hundreds of years more before Jesus returns, is beyond my understanding. |
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Post by shann0 on Dec 31, 2011 13:57:49 GMT -5
Well fine! If they want us to leave, WE WILL!  |
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Post by maeday5 on Dec 31, 2011 14:06:57 GMT -5
Well fine! If they want us to leave, WE WILL!   ;D |
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Post by wateredseeds on Dec 31, 2011 18:24:51 GMT -5
Nothing in the bible says that our salvation hinges on believing in a particular timing of the rapture. But there is a LARGE remnant of these people that are trusting in works....or don't believe in sound theolgoy. So of course there are people that aren't saved. But we cannot say that all people or even a majority of people that are post toasties aren't saved. I meet people every day in my store that are post toasties. When questioned about salvation, they say it is by faith alone in Jesus Christ, that He took our sins upon himself. So in that sense...that would make them saved. To be fair...i also convert many of these people to a pre-trib view. But no....i think we're mixing doctrines here. We establish the most important doctrine in our lives first. Jesus died for my sins. The timing of the rapture has nothing to do with it.
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Post by baydoll on Jan 1, 2012 8:03:33 GMT -5
Well fine! If they want us to leave, WE WILL! AMEN!!! ;D |
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Post by shann0 on Jan 1, 2012 13:42:46 GMT -5
wateredseeds I hear where you're coming from and essentially you're correct when you say that what you believe about the rapture isn't mentioned as a requirement for salvation. I do think a case can be made that people who are deceived into following a false Jesus are not saved.
What we believe about Him has eternal consequences. What we believe about Jesus bears fruit in our lives. The fruit of a lot (NOT ALL, but many) of those who deny the pre-trib view, at least in my experience, has been demonstrated to be rotten by their attacks against me and my clinging to the Blessed Hope. That's why I think that this could be a salvation issue. According to your faith, let it be done unto you.
I love people of all views, and I'm not denying that they might be saved, however I think it's highly probable they're not. Especially when they are on a campaign against those of us who are pre-trib.
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Post by maeday5 on Jan 1, 2012 17:04:15 GMT -5
What bothers me so much about the anti rapture folks is their attitude towards the Lord's return period. They talk and live as if it were a millennium away, nothing to get excited about, look forward to.That attitude disturbs me....earth is not our home.
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Post by wateredseeds on Jan 2, 2012 1:27:44 GMT -5
mae,
I totally agree with that last statement. There are a lot of people who DON'T look forward to his coming and AREN'T living for His return.
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