Post by PrisonerOfHope on Dec 24, 2016 0:14:15 GMT -5
The only thing that's weird is her...
(8 Nov 2005)
"MORE weird signs from YHWH!!!!!!"
I saw yet another WEIRD sign in the sky this morning on the way to Judy's house (my husband takes me to her house to ride the rest of the way into work)! The sky was incredibly overcast and it was really muggy and warm here this morning (1.5 hours outside of Houston). Up in the sky was a FULL MOON, just as bright as if it was night time! Then we changed directions, and the sun was in the sky. Again, it was around 7:35 in the morning. I got to Judy's house and told her about it, and she said, "That's really weird, because when I went to bed last night, it was only a QUARTER MOON!!!" And the strange signs in the heavenlies keep increasing!!!
Post by PrisonerOfHope on Dec 24, 2016 0:18:09 GMT -5
Speaking of weird...
(8 Nov 2005)
"EINSTEINIAN THOUGHT EXPERIMENT -- "The ham of God"?"
Albert Einstein, the famous physicist, was also noted for his "Thought Experiment" (they tend to save big bucks on lab fees and equipment). In them he envisioned how light could "bend" and how space was "curved".
Now comes an opportunity to do a "Theological Thought experiment".
Imagine there were no "denominational boxes" to defend, no 'dispensationalism', no "two-covenant teaching/theory" where gentiles had "one set of rules" and Jews "another set" (Imagine reading the most oft repeated commandment in scripture: Ex 12:14, 14:49; Lev 7:7, 14:54, 16:29, 24:22; Num 9:14, 15:15-16, 15:29, 31:21; Deut 1:16 and Isa 56:6-7. And after reading those imagine reading Eph 2:19 ).
Imagine that from "day one" Christendom had actually obeyed Paul the Apostle in I Cor. 5:7-8 and actually "kept the feast". Imagine the church actually obeying the command 'to keep the Passover throughout all your generations' (Ex 12:14-17).
Now you're about 10 years old and it's the late 1880's AD. Imagine a largely agrarian society which was still largely possible 120 ago.
Imagine your church/Messianic Synagogue is closely keeping the feast. A farmer brings a lamb to the churchyard. The Priest/Pastor/Rabbi puts the knife to the lambs throat and cuts it. He turns to the congregation and says: "I have killed the Lamb of God". The Congregation, with over 1800's years of keeping the feast this way quickly replies in unison: "WE have killed the Lamb of God", the priest replies "This is so".
Now imagine it's 40 years later; you're in the same church and its Germany in the 1930's. Antisemiticsm rears it's ugly head and says: "The Jews are Christ killers, THEY killed the Lamb of God". By now you and your congregation have been so well taught that your reply is automatic and immediate: "NOT SO!! The Jews are not alone in this; for this very day WE killed the Lamb of God!!!". The world watches the spectre of persecution die in its cradle.
Imagine, the holocaust never happened because Christendom took seriously the scriptural mandate to "keep the feast throughout all your generations". Keeping just ONE Feast day.
Now imagine that when a person takes a "spanish-fly - viagra-like substance" for it's "sportin effects" that they are likely ingesting the demon of sexual lust. Imagine that when 'Jesus declared all "foods" to be clean', He was not referring to some list in "Webster's Collegiate Dictionary", but was instead referring to the clean foods listed in Leviticus. Imagine constantly ingesting or incurring an unclean spirit with every BLT, pork chop, catfish, set of frog legs, (you get the idea.). Imagine drinking in an unclean spirit with every can of beer, with every shot of wiskey ,,,, they don't call this stuff "spirits" for nothing!. Imagine you're so addicted to sporting events on TV, that they've become your idol. Football is now footbaal, baseball is now basebaal, you get the idea. Imagine giving the spirit of witchcraft to yourself and your kids as you read them harry potter to sleep at night.
Imagine that all of the above is accurate OR EVEN HALF ACCURATE. Now imagine sitting down at your easter (Ishtar?) supper. Out on the table is a big piece of ham (with potatoes and all the trimmings), you think too yourself why I'm looking at the "ham of God". For a brief moment your mind recoils at the thought -- pigs (ham) was used to defile the temple in years past. "Its really supposed to be the Lamb of God, and maybe, just maybe lamb should be on the table and NOT the 'ham of God'. But were under no dietary restrictions!!! So the conversations turns to a serious question ---- "How come there are no true Apostles in our day and age?". There's a small, still voice which says: "because you don't keep yourselves clean long enough to get any anointing, much less an apostolic anointing. The problem is with your behavior, not mine"!!!. The supper guests all say "did we hear that or was it just our imagination".
Now its not too hard to imagine why we don't have ample numbers of powerful apostles. Imagine what we would have if we "kept the whole counsel of God".
Post by PrisonerOfHope on Dec 24, 2016 0:25:21 GMT -5
Guess not!
(31 Oct 2005)
"Next Year in Heaven!"
Wow....I have such an overwhelming sense of our near home-going! I left the house today to shop for an "angel" costume, to surprise the little "goblins" who come to my door tomorrow night!.....and I decided to leave the TV on tuned to TBN to thresh out any demonic spirits in my area. (Don't you mean 'invite them in?') As it happened I went to TBN Studios gift shop today in Costa Mesa. Ladies were wonderfully helpful, once I told them of my "mission". Anyway, a long story short, I came home tonight, to the TV on to the TBN Praise-a-thon. I am in AWE to the anointing on this service/program tonight! (Was that the Money Grubbing Anointing?) So much so I have been moved to tears.......everyone is there......just a little bit older than before.....but God Bless them....there were some prophetic words tonight about a major revival coming to America starting NOW.....seems to coincide with Kim Clemente's similar word and with brother Timothy Snodras's word (he his holding a prayer meeting in San Francisco this weekend!) OK, here's the "gist" of my message, and the reason I "fired up the P.C." tonight......I sense something......something significant.....well, I'll just come right out and say it: I think this might be the LAST praise-a-thon on TBN because WE, folks, are GOING HOME SOONER THAN WE THINK! Its totally of the spirit, but I feel it strongly....our days are numbered here on earth.....we are going home soon......what exact day, I don't know......but this "Last Call Revival" that so many prophets are speaking of, is just that......God's LAST CALL! I wouldn't be a bit surprised if the bride goes home before Christmas! Certainly, we will be home before the next Praise-a-thon on TBN, which usually won't be until April. I think by then, we will be HOME! It was an overwhelming sense of this, that I've never had before. Loved ones.....our days are truly numbered here.....only what's done for Christ will LAST..... for eternity! Whatever you are going to do for God: DO IT NOW!!!!! God Bless You! And see you Soon!!! Next Year in Heaven!!!!!!
Post by PrisonerOfHope on Dec 26, 2016 15:30:32 GMT -5
Fresh batch for your enjoyment!
Here's a deluded Marilyn Agee fan:
"To Marilyn Agee... Re PC post (2012)"
What a pleasure to be reacquainted with Post from PC (2012) Thank you Marilyn for this action on your part. PC posts were (for me) the most significant content i encountered when i first happened across '5 Doves website'. I found her letters both scholarly and adventurous. Her Love for Jesus infuses her writing to such a degree that she had the faith in him to go out on a limb with contentious topics. On occasions she 'dares' to question some of the approved 'dogma' and therefore alas suffered scorn from the guardians of said orthodoxy. Most of all i love the fact that P refuses to limit God to our boundaries of thought and wanted to free God from our intellectual shackles. I have no certainty that she was always right. She herself was keen to open a dialogue and never claimed infallibility. In a way her exploration of Jesus was very childlike in its vulnerability and honesty. I hope her trusting spirit was not crushed by the self appointed guardians of the Torah
Post by PrisonerOfHope on Dec 26, 2016 15:36:18 GMT -5
The Tick Tock Ding Dong is still at it...
"Another IMPORTANT "70"----How long did KIng David live? 70.....and at his 1/2 life of 35.....is half of Jewish Year 5778"
This, too, came from the book: The Divine Calendar.
Did you know that King David lived 70 years?? He was born in Jewish Year 2854.
So, when he was 35......half of his years on this earth......it was Jewish Year 2889.
So take Jewish Year 5778 (2018) .....and divide it by 2. You get Jewish Year 2889.
Wouldn't it be incredible if........at the middle of King David's life (age 35) ......
IF that year, 2889.....was also 1/2 the life of man on earth???? Until the "final covenant." Until the start of the Tribulation??? In Jewish Year 5778. Which starts in just 9 months, Sept 2017 !!!
Post by PrisonerOfHope on Dec 26, 2016 15:42:10 GMT -5
This guy is rather confused on the timing of certain events, but thinks he's made a great discovery. Thing is, events in the Bible aren't always chronological.
"First ones into the fire"
First ones into the fire
In this post I will be briefly discussing about why I think there are people cast into the lake of fire before the great white throne judgement.
The counterfeits
When Jesus returns to Earth there is going to be a judgement on all those that survived the great tribulation
This judgement is to determine who is going to enter the millennial Kingdom and who is not.
This judgment is known as the "sheep and the goats judgement".
In this scripture the unrighteous are called as goats and the righteous are described as sheep.
Matthew 25:31–46: "But when the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then he will sit on the throne of his glory. 32 Before him all the nations will be gathered, and he will separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats".
We know that Satan counterfeits everything God does and is.
For example the antichrist is a counterfeit Jesus
The false prophet is a counterfeit Holy Spirit
Satan is a counterfeit God the father.
When Jesus rose from the dead there were others who also rose with him on that day. These are known as the first fruits.
Matthew 27:52
"and tombs opened. The bodies of many godly men and women who had died were raised from the dead".
It's kind of the same thing with the antichrist.
We know that the antichrist and the false prophet are the first people to enter the lake of fire.
Revelation 19:20
"But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulphur".
When Jesus returns to Earth at the end of the 7 year tribulation jesus will kill the antichrist and his armies.
Shortly after this Jesus will then resurrect him and also those who took the mark of the beast and will sentence them to eternal damnation.
But because the antichrist is a counterfeit Jesus he will also have people who are resurrected with him . A type of counterfeit "first fruits".
These people are those who took the mark of the beast.
Just how the holy spirt marks us and is a seal to all believers in Jesus Christ.
The mark of the beast is a mark that seals all who take it to Satan.
It interesting to note during this judgement Jesus says to the goats
Matthew 25:41
"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels".
Notice how Jesus specifically sends the goats into the "eternal fire" which had been "prepared for the devil and his angels".
We know that this cannot mean hell or hades because these are only temporary abodes for the spirits of the unsaved who have died.
So therefore Jesus must be talking about the eternal lake of fire.
In conclusion from this study we know there are a remnant of people who are cast into the fire before the great white throne judgement occurs.
Post by PrisonerOfHope on Dec 26, 2016 15:51:12 GMT -5
This is old news by now - they feared something that didn't happen (the electoral college rejecting Trump), but i'm posting this because of their foolish conviction that the blood moons had some prophetic meaning - they don't. The so-called "blood moons" were ordinary eclipses; the Scriptures he mentions refer to supernatural events.
"THIS IS ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE!"
This is absolutely incredible! Watch this short video! I would like to remind all of my end time Bible prophecy friends that we are still very much "sandwiched" between the very rare lunar eclipse tetrad of 2014-15 and the extremely prophetic year of 2017 (1917----1967----2017). Third Temple construction should be initiated in 2017, but that mandates the Rapture first! The New World Order folks will do everything they can to stop Donald Trump from taking office. The time period we are in now until January 20th is VERY UNSTABLE! Jeb Bush would have been just fine with them, as would have been Hillary Clinton, as both are in the New World Order. I just watched an hour of CNN (5:00 to 6:00 PM Eastern Time on Thurs. evening), and they attacked Trump for the whole hour on the "Russian hacking"!
P.S. Don't think that very rare lunar eclipse tetrad of 2014-15 (Passover / Tabernacles of both years lunar eclipses) is important? Then go look up Genesis 1:14, Joel 2:30, and Luke 21:25 !
Post by PrisonerOfHope on Dec 26, 2016 15:59:13 GMT -5
Many of the Loony Tunes are still convinced Obama is the Antichrist. How long before they start claiming Donald Trump is, since they seem to think that role belongs to an American president? Seriously...if the AC came out of America, our country wouldn't be conspicuously missing from Bible prophecy.
"Kislev 23 was 12.10.2009 and TODAY 12.23.2016 is also Kislev 23!!!"
DANIEL 9:27
A COVENANT WITH MANY, FOR ONE WEEK
7 YEARS... TO THE DAY!!!
OBAMA DELIVERS NOBEL PEACE PRIZE SPEECH 12.10.2009 - THE COVENANT WITH MANY
DECEMBER 10, 2009 is KISLEV 23
+ 7 YEARS TO THE DAY
KISLEV 23... DECEMBER 23, 2016
OBAMA WILL DIVIDE THE LAND! THIS IS THE REASON HE WAS CHOSEN AS"THE MAN OF PEACE"
CAN ANYONE SAY RAPTURE?
Obama's Nobel Peace Prize Speech held on 12.10.2009 (Kislev 23) in Oslo, Norway
Post by PrisonerOfHope on Dec 28, 2016 1:38:17 GMT -5
I have no idea of what he's getting at...but then...
"The AntiChrist, Myrrh, & the Revelation Cluster"
Interested Readers -
John writes in his first letter:
1 John 2:18
"Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time."
John writes that there is a specific hour (time) that the appearance of many antichrists heralds; it is the Last Hour.
That word translated "antichrists" has a value of 1651.
Curious to know what other Greek words had that value, and to know what their context verses were, I looked it up.
There are eight total verses, and the last two are in Revelation, the Last Days book.
Revelation 2:8
"And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;" ...
The 1651 valued word is "Smyrna".
Smyrna means "myrrh".
That verse has a gematria value of:
10489.
There are three verses with that same numeric value, and they are all in Revelation!
Revelation 2:8 is the first one.
Revelation 5:3 is the second one.
"And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon."
Revelation 10:2 is the third one -
"Rev 10:2 And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth,"
There are probably several conclusions to reach, but my focus is the obvious:
the number 10489 is intrinsic to the Book of the Revelation.
In my vision of the Library in Heaven in December 1997, the bookcase of Bible books in front of me clearly showed certain books had colored ribbons around their spines. These ribbons represented "themes" intrinsic to that specific book. Certain numbers operate the same way. They belong to one book and one book alone.
The astute reader can also see in the above scripture verses 5:3 and 10:2, the theme of a "book".
Post by PrisonerOfHope on Dec 28, 2016 1:41:45 GMT -5
Guess not...
"The Human Gestation and Hanukkah"
1) According to Zola Levitte's teaching, 8 feasts including Hanukkah match with the major stages of the human gestation, and Hanukkah represents Birth.
Hanukkah is the 8th feast celebrating for 8 days.
Perhaps the 8.8 Concepcion earthquake was the sign for Hanukkah for Birth.
The 8.8 Concepcion earthquake occurred on Purim, and Esther is a "type" of the Bride.
The 6th day of Hanukkah is the new moon of Tevet, and Tevet was the month that Esther was chosen as the Queen.
And since Hanukkah is the added feast, it could be for Gentile.
2) 2 years ago on Hanukkah, there was the historic event to light Menorah with special pure olive oil which was produced for the first time since the Temple era.
2 means Separation, and it fits to the parable of ten virgins.
3) Jesus observed Hanukkah as it's written in John chapter 10, and the verses 27-29 could be a hint for the Rapture.
"My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.
My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand."
4) The first day of this coming Hanukkah happens to be Christmas.
We all know that Christmas is not the birthday of our Lord, but it's the day when the bright Star led three wise men to Bethlehem.
And the Bethlehem Star reappeared twice on July 1, 2015 and August 27, 2016 for the first time since the Birth of Jesus.
Genesis 41:32 can be applied for it, and this coming Christmas could be for the Blessed Hope.
Christmas fits to Matthew 24:38 for eating, drinking and enjoying.
Christmas last year was the full moon in 38 years, and it's possible that 1 year delay is applied as the parable of the barren fig tree.
5) According to Haggai 2:20-23, the word of the Lord came unto Haggai in the four and twentieth day of the 9th month, the day before Hanukkah saying:
"I will shake the heavens and the earth...and I will overthrow the throne of kingdoms...I will make thee as signet: for I have chosen thee."
6) Hanukkah originated from the Rededication of the Temple after the king Antiochus Epiphanes defiled it by setting the idol of Zeus in the holiest place.
1 Corinthians 3:16-17 gives a clue that Hanukkah could be the time for Dedication of the Bride who cleansed her temple.
"Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him.
For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are."
Antiochus is a "type" of AC, and Obama has a connection to the idol of Zeus in Pergamon Altar.
Post by PrisonerOfHope on Dec 28, 2016 2:02:08 GMT -5
Wacko loony tunes, feeding off each other. This nut actually believes another nut had an encounter with the Angel Gabriel, as well as an "unnamed" angel. I first heard the urban legend of an angel appearing and saying "Jesus is coming soon" 25 years ago.
"sign: Dec 23, 2016 ... 9 Months ... Sept. 23, 2017 - The Sign?"
Dec 23, 1993:
(30 Oct 2012)
"Rapture 2012: 12/12/12"
RAPTURE 2012 – KEYS CODED AND DECODED
Angels appear as humans
-- Then vanish --
after making startling announcement
that Jesus is coming "very, very soon"!!!
And other supernatural confirmations of Christ's soon return!
by Jim Bramlett
Introduction. Numerous reputable people have told me, most unsolicited, of experiences with angels they either had personally or knew about. In most cases, the angels appeared to provide help in some distressful situation. However, several of the incidents, including the ones below, are particularly interesting for two reasons: (1) they contain a message (literally, the word "angel" means "messenger") and, (2) the incidents were brought to my personal attention under unusual circumstances, making me think God sent them my way.
Encounter # 2 (Confirmed)
While in the process of investigating the above incident, I learned of this next amazing one from another person in California, although it took place in Tennessee. It happened just past midnight on March 26, 1993, to Vincent Tan, an analytical chemist who works in Chattanooga. I spent weeks personally tracing this incident and have confirmed it with two reputable Christian leaders, his pastor and, finally, even Vincent himself. The following is a precisely recorded account: Vincent was born Tan Ban Soon in Singapore of Chinese, Buddhist parents. A few years ago as a young boy in Singapore, he was in the library reading a book on nuclear physics and discovered an offer for a Bible course stuck between some pages. He ordered the course and later became a Christian. He came to the U.S. to attend a Christian college, and then gave himself the western name of Vincent. After four years, he graduated with a major in science. He has been very active in his church and in sharing his faith.
On the night of Thursday, March 25, 1993, Vincent was working late in his laboratory to complete tests due on Friday. During the evening he moved his car close to the front door of the building, since there had recently been criminal activity in the area. From time to time he looked out the window into the almost empty parking lot to check on his car. At 1:30 a.m. he finished working in his lab. As he was preparing to lock the door, he saw a person standing by the passenger side of his car. Vincent assumed the man was trying to steal his car. He noted that the stranger was of medium build with clean-cut, straight hair and had on a T-shirt, blue jeans and white tennis shoes.
Unsure what to do, he went back into the lab and prayed, "Lord, help me to do what I have to do. Do I have to use chi-sao?" Chi-sao (pronounced "chee'-sow-o") is a form of martial art in which Vincent is proficient. To be extra safe, he looked around the lab and picked up an 18-inch metal rod, held it behind him and stuck his head out the door. He said, "Hi, can I help you?"
The stranger answered, "Hi, Vincent."
Startled, Vincent asked, "Do I know you?"
The stranger replied, "Not really."
"What is your name? Who are you?" Vincent probed.
The stranger said, "I have the name of your primary and secondary school." He added, "I'm a friend. You don't have to use chi-sao or the rod on me." His voice had unusual authority, and it seemed he knew the question before it was asked.
Now Vincent was really startled. No one, not even his best friend in this country, was familiar with chi-sao, nor did anyone even know that he knew it. Also, there was no way the stranger could have seen the rod behind his back. Vincent later reflected that the stranger had used terminology ("primary and secondary school") of Singapore and not the U.S., and that name of his school back in Singapore was St. Gabriel. The stranger was saying that his name was Gabriel!
"How do you know that?" Vincent asked.
"I know," the stranger replied. "By the way, Mum is fine." Vincent was startled again. Just the week before, his sister had called from Singapore saying that his mother had heart complications, and Vincent had been quite worried about her.
Gabriel continued, "You love the Lord very much, don't you?"
"That's right," Vincent replied.
"He loves you very much, too," Gabriel said. Then he added, "He is coming very, very soon." He seemed to emphasize the "very soon."
Vincent answered, "That's great!"
Gabriel then asked, "Can I have a cup of water?"
Vincent said, "Sure," and turned momentarily to get him the water. Then he decided to invite the stranger inside to drink from the water fountain. He turned back to invite him inside -- but Gabriel was not there. He had suddenly and unexplainably vanished! Vincent had not turned his head for more than three seconds. There was no place for the stranger to have gone.
Puzzled, and not wanting to go back into the lab, Vincent laid the metal rod down by the front door and headed to his home outside of Chattanooga. When he came back to work later that morning, he wondered if he had dreamed the whole experience. As a scientist, he wanted to prove whether it had really happened. When he got to the building, he found the metal rod lying by the door just where he had left it. He knew he had not been dreaming. Upon entering the lab, the first thing he did was to lock himself in the rest room and kneel in prayer. "Show me what to do, Lord. I know what I remember. If I'm supposed to share it, I must believe it myself," Vincent pleaded. He then sat down at his computer and recorded every word said and everything that had happened.
That night, March 26, 1993, in a dream Vincent relived the whole experience, seeing himself, and word for word hearing the whole conversation. He awoke at about 3:30 a.m. and wrote down every word in the dream and the description of the stranger. What he wrote from the dream confirmed every detail he had written earlier. Also, a week after the experience, he learned that his mother had received needed surgery and was recuperating nicely -- and that the medical decision about her improved condition came a week earlier at about the very same hour as he was talking with Gabriel!
On July 29, 1993 I asked Vincent what effect this experience has had on him. He said he believes more strongly now that we should be ready every day for the Lord's coming, and not worry about which day He will come. He said the experience has intensified his dedication, causing him to spend more devotional time than before, wanting to know more about God and be closer to Him. For some time, even before that experience, Vincent said he had been asking God, "Am I ready, right now?" Now, more meaningfully than ever, this writer is asking that same question.
Encounter # 3: Vincent's second (confirmed)
I recently confirmed personally with Vincent that he has had another encounter, this time with an unnamed angel, on Thursday, December 23, 1993. Like the above, the following is an accurate record of exactly what happened and words exchanged.
Two Significant Prior Events. There are two events that have a bearing on this one. First, in July, 1993, Vincent had a dream. He saw himself standing at the door of a big room. He saw many candles, but not all of them were lit. He asked himself in the dream why the unlit candles. Then he heard a sad voice behind him saying, "If only all of them were lit." He turned around but didn't see anyone. A week later he had the exact same dream. Vincent shared the dreams in his Bible study and said he hoped someday the Lord would show him the meaning of the dreams.
Second, three months later in October, 1993 a stranded motorist waved Vincent down and asked him to jump start his car. Vincent stopped but did not have a cable. However, Vincent asked the man if he believed in God. The man asked what could God do. Vincent told him he believed that God could help in any situation such as this if we ask Him. So Vincent prayed out loud for God's help. After he prayed Vincent noticed a coat hanger on the road.
Somehow, he figured out a way to break the coat hanger in two and use one part to connect the positive terminals and the other part to touch the two auto bodies together as ground. The man's car started. He looked at Vincent and said, "You sure have a powerful God!" Vincent said, "I sure do. All we have to do is believe in Him." The man said, "I'll have to think about that," and left. Two days later, Vincent got a jumper cable for his truck.
The December 23, 1993 Experience. Shortly after 11 p.m.,
December 23, 1993, Vincent was in his truck returning home from visiting a friend near Chattanooga. About four miles away from the friend's home, he saw a truck alongside the road with its hood up and with an old man, estimated at about age 75, standing in front of it. Vincent was always wary of stopping for strangers, and believed one must really be led of the Lord in order to do so. He felt he should stop. He walked up to the man and asked if anything was wrong, to which the man replied that he a dead battery. Vincent asked if he could help in any way. The man asked that Vincent go get his jumper cable out of the truck. Vincent was surprised that he said this, as if knowing that Vincent had a jumper cable, especially since he had only recently obtained one. Vincent himself had forgotten that he had the cable, but when the old man told him about it he remembered. It was very dark and Vincent had to use his flashlight to see to connect his end of the cable. Then he turned around to discover that the man had already connected his end, even in the dark and with no flashlight. That seemed impossible, and startled Vincent.
Vincent said, "I need to do something first." The man looked at him and said, "I did it already." Vincent said, "Did what?" The man said, "I placed the bricks by your tires. That's what you want, isn't it?" The man had no way of knowing that Vincent had two bricks in his truck or that he wanted to block his tires with them because he didn't trust his hand brake and because the gear would have to be in neutral to start the other truck. Vincent checked and discovered that the man had placed the bricks behind the exact same tires that Vincent wanted. At this point, Vincent was convinced that this was not a natural person. And after the experience in March, Vincent had decided that if the Lord ever gave him the privilege of another encounter with an angel, he had many questions he wanted to ask. But he had a sudden feeling come over him and some force caused his mouth to be kept shut. He was not able to say anything except to respond to whatever the old man wanted or said.
Vincent was now ready to start the truck, and the old man said, "Can we wait in your truck and have my truck charged up?"
Vincent agreed and they sat in his truck. The old man spoke first and said, "Can we pray? God can work miracles -- even start a car with a coat hanger." (The previous incident with the coat hanger job was a car and not a truck!) At this, Vincent said to himself that this stranger must be an angel!
The old man prayed: "Oh most holy and powerful God in heaven, we know you are coming very, very soon. Help us now in your own time and way. In Jesus' Name. Amen." Vincent said the man's voice was so powerful and assuring that it sent chills through him. After the prayer the man asked Vincent, "Do you believe the Lord is coming soon?" Vincent said yes. Then the man said, "He is coming very, very soon, and we need to be ready now and always." Then he said, "Can I use your Bible?" Vincent agreed, then without any word from Vincent the man reached into the glove compartment for the Bible, already knowing where it was located.
The man asked Vincent, "Do you read your Bible?" Vincent replied that he tried to read it every day. The man said, "That's very good. It's unfortunate that many do not do that. Having Bible studies is like being in a big room with many candles that are lit." Vincent knew he had God's answer about his dreams six months earlier. The unlit candles meant many people were not spending time studying God's Word! Now Vincent had absolutely no doubt that this was an angel.
It was very dark, but the man took Vincent's King James Bible and, without searching, flipped immediately to the exact page, to Matthew, chapter 24. Then Vincent shined the flashlight on the page as the man read verse 36: "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only." He then jumped down to verse 42: "Watch therefore, for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come."
Then again, as if knowing exactly where the page was, without searching he flipped to John, chapter 14, and read verses 1-3: "Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also."
Then again, he amazingly flipped directly to Revelation 3, verse 11, and read: "Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown." With that, the man put the Bible back in the glove compartment. Vincent reflected that all three passages, and everything the man said, was about the Lord's return.
After reading, the man put the Bible back and said, "The truck is ready." He started the truck and Vincent said he would follow him for awhile to make sure everything was okay. The man said, "Thank you very much for your help. By the way, I left a small token for you. It will be enough to fill up your car tomorrow." That was strange, because there was no way for the man to know that Vincent had a car in addition to his truck. Vincent followed him about a mile with the man's tail lights clearly in view, then as they were going around a curve, he suddenly vanished from view. He and his truck just disappeared. Thinking his vision may have been obstructed by trees or something, Vincent even went back the next day during the daylight and retraced everything. There were no trees or anything obstructing his view. There was no human explanation. Also the next day, as he always does on Friday, Vincent took his car to the service station to fill up the tank with gasoline, so it would be full for the weekend. He had forgotten what the man had said about leaving a token "to fill up your car tomorrow." Vincent put $2.32 worth of gas in his car, then tried to round it off to $2.35 or $2.40. But he could only get it up to $2.34 and it stopped. It just would not take more than exactly $2.34.
Vincent then left to visit a friend's house, but remembered that he had left the friend's Christmas gift in his truck, so he went back home. When home, Vincent decided to clean his truck a bit before leaving. While doing so, he found some money on the front seat, passenger's side, underneath his glove. The money consisted of two one-dollar bills, a quarter, a nickel, and four pennies -- exactly $2.34!"
John Tng (31 July 2012)
"The Rapture Date"
Dear Doves,
At around midnight on Dec 23, 1993, Vincent Tan had an encounter with an unnamed angel who left him $2.34, a mysterious clue to the rapture. The story was first reported by Jim Bramlett around the time when I started surfing the Internet in the mid nineties. I got to know Jim because of his angel reports; you can read more about them here at this link: www.choicesforliving.com/spirit/part3/angels.htm
I believe the angel is none other than the Archangel Gabriel since nine months earlier Vincent had his first encounter in which the angel identified himself as Gabriel. It behooves us watchers to take the number 234 seriously and ponder its link to the rapture if indeed the personage is a renown messenger of God, known to have announced the coming of the LORD in his four appearances recorded in the Bible (Dan 8, 9 and Luke 1).
The Meaning of Numbers: The Number 12
Twelve is a perfect number, signifying perfection of government, or of governmental perfection. It is found as a multiple in all that has to do with rule. The sun which "rules" the day, and the moon and stars which "govern" the night, do so by their passage through the twelve signs of the Zodiac which completes the great circle of the heavens of 360 (12 x 30) degrees or divisions, and thus govern the year.
Twelve is the product of 3 (the perfectly Divine and heavenly number) and 4 (the earthly, the number of what is material and organic).
While seven is composed of 3 added to 4, the number twelve is 3 multiplied by 4, and hence denotes that which can scarcely be explained in words, but which the spiritual perception can at once appreciate, viz., organization, the products denoting production and multiplication and increase of all that is contained in the two numbers separately. The 4 is generally prominently seen in the twelve.
The Twelve Patriarchs
There were twelve patriarchs from (and including) Shem (the son of Noah) to Jacob:
Shem
Arphaxad
Salah
Heber
Peleg
Reu
Serug
Nahor
Terah
Abraham
Isaac
Jacob
The Sons of Israel
The twelve sons of Israel, though actually thirteen in number, are never listed with 13 names in a single list.
There are about 18 enumerations altogether, but in each list one or the other sons / tribes is omitted. Generally it is Levi, but not always. In Revelation 7 both Dan and Ephraim are omitted (see number 8), but the enumeration is still twelve, Levi and Joseph being introduced for this special sealing of the remnant which shall go unscathed through the great tribulation.
How is the number twelve represented in Solomon's Temple?
The temple of Solomon has twelve as the predominating factor, in contrast with the Tabernacle, which had the number five. This agrees with the grace which shines in the Tabernacle, and with the glory of the kingdom which is displayed in the Temple.
When we come to the New Testament we find the same great principle pervading the Apostolic government as we see in the Patriarchal and National, for we have the following groups of twelve:
The Apostles.
The foundations in the heavenly Jerusalem.
The gates.
The pearls.
The angels.
How is the number 12 in the New Jerusalem?
The measurement of the new Jerusalem will be 12,000 furlongs square, while the wall will be 144 (12 x 12) cubits, Revelation 21:16,17.
The number of the sealed in Revelation 7:4 will be 144,000, and all that has to do with the Twelve Tribes is necessarily pervaded by this number, such as the stones in the High Priest's breastplate, the stones taken out of the Jordan, the number of the spies, etc. etc., and therefore we have not referred to all such reference in these pages.
Who were the 12 people specially ANOINTED to serve in government?
Twelve persons were anointed for government of various kinds. Of course, all kings, priests, prophets, and healed lepers were anointed; but the circumstances of the anointing of twelve individuals are specially recorded. Of these, five were priests (Aaron and his four sons, Exodus 6:23) and seven were kings:
Aaron, Exodus 29:7,9, etc.
Nadab, Exodus 29:7,9, etc.
Abihu, Exodus 29:7,9, etc.
Eleazar, Exodus 29:7,9, etc.
Ithamar, Exodus 29:7,9, etc.
Saul, 1Samuel 10:1.
David, * 1Samuel 16:13.
Absalom, 2Samuel 19:10.
Solomon, 1Kings 1:39.
Jehu, 2Kings 9:6.
Joash, 2Kings 11:12.
Jehoahaz, 2Kings 23:30.
* David was anointed three times, viz: by Samuel, 1 Samuel 16:13; by the men of Judah, 2Samuel 2:4; by the elders of Israel, 2Samuel 5:3.
It will be observed from the above list that Saul, the man of MAN'S choice, is thus stamped with the number 6. David, the man of God's choice, is stamped with the number seven. For Saul and David are the sixth and seventh respectively in order. The words, "a man after God's own heart," means simply a man of God's choice, and not, as infidels are never tired of asserting, that God approved of all the sins which David fell into.
At what age did Jesus first appear in public?
Twelve years of age was Jesus when He first appears in public (Luke 2:42) and utters His first recorded words (see number 1).
Legions of Angels
Twelve legions of angels mark the perfection of angelic powers (Matthew 26:53).
Additional commentary on the Biblical Meaning of 12 *
The number twelve is found 187 times total in the Bible, 22 of which are in the book of Revelation.
The significance of the number 12 is that it represents divine authority and appointment, as well as governmental foundation and perfection, and shows completeness. 12 is also used as a signature of Israel. Truth is symbolized by 144, or 12 x 12.
There are 12 divisions of heaven called the Mazzaroth, which God uses for signs and seasons. The testimony of the stars is numerically in harmony with the Bible: "The heavens declare the glory of God and the firmament shows His handiwork" (Psalms 19:1).
There were 12 sons of Jacob, whose families formed the 12 tribes of Israel with 12 princes; there were also 12 princes of Ishmael.
The high priest’s breastplate, used for judgment, had 12 stones representing the 12 tribes. The showbread consisted of 12 loaves. During the period of the judges, 12 judges judged Israel. Solomon appointed 12 officers over Israel.
At age 12, Jesus appeared at the temple. Jesus ordained 12 apostles, who were sent with authority to preach the Gospel and to be witnesses of His resurrection. After His resurrection, Jesus told the apostles that He had been given all authority in heaven and earth — the divine authority of God.
During the great tribulation, 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes of Israel are saved, totaling 144,000 (Revelation 7). A second 144,000 are gathered from the earth to serve the Lamb and follow Him (Revelation 14:1-5). The bride of Christ is pictured with a crown of 12 stars (Revelation 12:1).
The New Jerusalem has 12 gates of pearls, 12 angels at the gates and the names of the 12 tribes of Israel over the gates. The wall of the city has 12 foundations of precious stones; in them are the names of the 12 apostles. The wall is 144 cubits high (12 x 12). The city is 12,000 furlongs (1,500 miles) square.
The Rapture, Gog, and Hanukkah Puzzle: Putting It All Together
The title got your attention, right? Up front I want to say that I understand that it's impossible to calculate the exact day and hour of the Rapture. Jesus himself said (in Matthew 24:36) about the End Times: "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."
However there are some important considerations when speculating about when the End Times, also known as the Tribulation or Great Tribulation, may arrive. Christ admonished his disciples to watch for his second coming at least twice (once in Matthew 24:42 "Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come." And in Matthew 25:13 "Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.")(Note: current tense is used in the Greek, signifying at that time only no one knows; there is no prohibition on future knowledge).
Doing so may also be important for all Christians; In Revelation 3: 3, Jesus warned the church at Sardis, "...If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee." This Scripture seems to indicate that those watching will know.
Christians are to hold fast to their salvation and to watch, less they be unready for the return of the Lord.
Once the Tribulation events start, it becomes possible to determine when our Messiah actually returns to rule the Earth by simply calculating the time frame outlined in Daniel and the other prophets regarding the construction of the new Temple in Jerusalem and the start of the reign of the Antichrist.
While we don't have the space to go into detail about this in this article, studying the times set in Daniel and the other prophets as well as the book of Revelation suggests that it should be possible to calculate this date with some precision, using the 360-day Hebrew calendar, once the Antichrist sets up his image in the new Temple in Jerusalem. Once the ball is set into motion, the ability to calculate the time and hour of various events will become possible for those aware of Biblical prophecies.
What is it that we don't know the day or the hour of then?
It would seem what is unknown is the beginning of the Great Tribulation itself, an event which many feel will be initiated by the Rapture of the Church (the Rapture being the time when the dead in Christ are raised and go -- along with the living Christians -- to Heaven so they will be spared going through the Great Tribulation). So, while it may not be possible to calculate the "day and the hour" of the occurrence of the Rapture, it appears that a person might be able to calculate the season in which it occurs with some accuracy. Jesus appears to expect that those living near the beginning of the Tribulation will be able to understand what is about to happen.
After Jesus had told his disciples about what the End of the Age would be like, he added, "And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth near." (Luke 21:28). This suggests that those approaching the End Times spoken of throughout the Bible would be aware of the season, while not actually knowing the day and the hour. While Biblical prophecy is designed to display the power and majesty of God, it seems logical that it also serves the purpose of preparing God's people for what lies ahead of them.
In Luke 12:37-38, he said, "Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them. And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants." This suggests that those who are watching for his return will be rewarded for their vigilance.
MULTIPLE JIGSAW PROBLEM SOLVING
To find this season of the Rapture, it is necessary to exploit a "Multiple Jigsaw Puzzle" system. What?
Well, that's perhaps the best way to describe it. Imagine that you have a jigsaw puzzle with three- fourths of the pieces missing. You assemble it, but the picture is far from complete. This is somewhat of the picture you get from any one of the books of the prophets in the Old Testament or even from the book of Revelation when it comes to the End Times and especially in the case of the Rapture (which is only hinted at, with the word "rapture" not even appearing in the Bible). With all the parts missing in the puzzle, it's impossible to get a complete picture even after all the parts you have are assembled. You have an idea of what the picture is, but not all the details.
Suppose that instead of just one copy of the puzzle, you had four or five jigsaw puzzles, all of the same scene. They all have parts missing, but some have parts that the others do not have. Suddenly you're presented with the possibility of taking the complete portions of one puzzle and placing it together with the others to create one entire picture. With careful comparison of parts that are common to all the puzzles, you can slowly piece together one complete picture.
This same idea can be applied to the prophecies of the End Times. By carefully comparing the pieces from each passage in the Bible to determine which have common parts, it's possible to then figure which are talking about a common event. Then these can be used as anchor points to assemble a complete picture of what appears in one part of the "puzzle" but not the others. Little by little, the prophesy puzzle can be produced to create an idea of when the Rapture is likely to occur.
Here's what can be discovered using this technique.
PEACE AND SAFETY
First puzzle piece: The Rapture occurs when leaders of Israel as well as the "man on the street" will be operating under the assumption that "peace and safety" has come to the region. This is supported by 1 Thessalonians 5:3 "For when they shall say peace and safety then sudden destruction shall come upon them as birth pains upon a woman with child and they shall not escape."
The association of birth pains with the time of the Tribulation is clear from what Jesus told his disciples. When Jesus' disciples asked what would signal His return, He gave them several signs to watch for. He also taught that the time immediately before His coming would be known as the "beginning of sorrows" (Matthew 24:8); a literal translation of "beginning of sorrows" into English would be the "onset of labor pains." Jesus was saying the signs of His coming would start out as mild pangs spaced widely apart like human labor and then gradually become closer together and more intense, like the birth process, until this period of suffering and judgment would culminate in the coming of the Messiah.
It's logical that Paul would have been fully aware of this allusion that Christ had given His disciples. Therefore, it seems likely that these two passages are talking about the onset of the same event: The Great Tribulation. Therefore, people believing they are about to enjoy peace and safety is most likely one of the signs of the Great Tribulation.
If this is true, then the Rapture might be rapidly approaching since the term "peace and safety" was being bandied about by the Israelis and the press during the recent peace negotiations between the PLO and Israel. Likewise Benjamin Netanyahu, when addressing the Kenesset in the summer of 1996, made it clear that he was interested in making peace with Israel's former enemies only if the cessation of hostilities arrived with Israel's security interests intact.
GOG AND MAGOG
Another puzzle piece shows that another event preceding the Great Tribulation is the Battle of Gog and Magog. This event is outlined in Ezekiel 38:18- 22:
18 And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that my fury shall come up in my face.
19 For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;
20 So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.
21 And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother.
22 And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.
23 Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the LORD.
There are several important puzzle pieces in this passage that give us a fuller picture of the Great Tribulation. First, there's reference to a great earthquake or "shaking" at the presence of the Lord with mountains being thrown down, etc., and a raining of pestilence on the Earth. This same picture appears in Matthew 24, where Christ told his disciples, "For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of sorrows..." Thus it appears that these two stories are one and the same, marking the beginning of the Great Tribulation.
Now another piece of the puzzle becomes apparent: Ezekiel 38:18 tells us that this is also the same time when Gog comes against the land of Israel. Thus it appears that this war marks the beginning of the Great Tribulation. (It is important to note that this war is quite different from the Battle of Armageddon, though the two events mirror each other, with one occurring at the beginning of the Great Tribulation, and the other marking its end.)
WHO ARE GOG AND MAGOG?
Gog and Magog appear a number of times in the Bible. In addition to the above passage, these two are mentioned in Ezekiel 39:1, Ezekiel 39:11, and Revelation 20:8. However their first appearance in the Bible is as actual, living historical individuals.
The first appearance of these two figures is in Genesis 10: 2-3. Here we find the descendants of Noah's sons listed. The children of Japheth are Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Mesech, and Tiras. The Sons of Gomer are Ashkenas, Riphoth, and Togarmah. According to Hebrew tradition (as well as hints in the Bible starting with verse 5 of this chapter), it is assumed that these are the ancestors of those who comprise the Gentile nations including the Chinese, Tartars, Greeks, Persians, Germans, Muscovites, and other Slovenian races. When Ezekiel writes of Gog and Magog, the offspring of these two individuals are most likely the nations or powers that he's referring to.
Some manuscripts/translations of the Bible also list "Rosh" as a leader within this group of countries. It is interesting to note that the first Czar of Great Muscovy was called Rosh, and that it was from this leader that Russia derived its name. Past historians divided Russia into three independent States. One was the main Russian state, also known as "Muscovie", "Muscovy" or the Eastern and Southern Russia states, and "Tobolsk" or Northern Russia. Obviously it's easy to draw parallels with Rosh being modern-day Russia; Meshech, Muscovy; and Tubal, Tobolsky.
Now we can make another connection when reading Ezekiel 38:2-3: "Son of man, set thy face against Gog the land of Magog...and prophesy of him...Behold, I come against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Mesech and Tubal."
To make it even clearer, Ezekiel 38: 14-15 gives the direction that the Gog and Magog empire are from Israel, "Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say unto Gog... And thou shalt come out of thy place from the northern parts."
Reading these passages with the knowledge of geography and Russian history, Russia becomes the prime candidate in the Gog and Magog sweepstakes.
WHAT COUNTRIES ARE ALIGNED WITH GOG AND MAGOG?
Ezekiel 38:5 lists the allies of Gog and Magog as being, "Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya." This is a surprise considering that most analysts of the Middle East feel Syria, Jordan, and Egypt are the biggest threats to Israel today. However the portrait presented by the Bible makes perfect sense if we remember the puzzle piece that talks of "peace and safety." This suggests a peace treaty of some sort is in place between Israel and its closest neighbors. This may be why these countries are missing in the invasion. (Again, the current treaty being proposed for peace in the Middle East suggests this prophecy may be very close to being fulfilled.)
The Bible tells us that Gog and Magog's effort to destroy Israel will collapse before the fury of the Lord. This destruction will apparently be compounded by confusion or a civil war within the ranks of Gog and Magog, with brother slaying brother. In the aftermath of the slaughter, Israel will spend seven months decontaminating the countryside of all the dead invaders' bodies, as noted in Ezekiel 39:11-12:
11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog.
12 And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land.
Another key puzzle piece is in the disposal of the military equipment left behind by the defeated Gog and Magog armies. Israel burns the trash for a period of seven years, according to Ezekiel 39:9-10:
9 And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the hand staves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:
10 So that they shall take no wood out of the field, neither cut down any out of the forests; for they shall burn the weapons with fire: and they shall spoil those that spoiled them, and rob those that robbed them, saith the Lord God.
This time frame of a seven years' cleanup may reflect Daniel's Seventieth Week. If so, then this war signals the beginning of the 7-year Tribulation. If this is true, then the Rapture most likely occurs sometime before the battle of Gog and Magog (perhaps even causing Gog and Magog to launch their attack under the assumption that this is the best time for it).
THE DESIRE OF NATIONS
Turning to Haggai 2:6-7, we find another bit of our missing puzzle.
6 For thus saith the LORD of hosts; Yet once, it is a little while, and I will shake the heavens, and the earth, and the sea, and the dry land;
7 And I will shake all nations, and the desire of all nations shall come: and I will fill this house with glory, saith the LORD of hosts.
This passage links the "shaking" or great earthquake to the coming of the "desire of all nations", a phrase that must mean the return of the Lord as the Messiah or Prince of Peace. (This being the desire of all godly people in the nations, though obviously not the desire of the wicked on the earth at the time of His return.) This conclusion is reinforced with the idea that His house will be filled with glory, surely an indication of both a divine reign as well as an allusion to the House of David from which the Messiah's royal lineage comes.
PUTTING A DATE ON THE EVENT
Now a key piece to the puzzle that will give us a fuller picture of these End Time events. Haggai 2:18- 22 gives an exact season and day for this event.
18 Consider now from this day and upward, from the four and twentieth day of the ninth month, even from the day that the foundation of the Lord's temple was laid, consider it.
19 Is the seed yet in the barn? yea, as yet the vine, and the fig tree, and the pomegranate, and the olive tree, hath not brought forth: from this day will I bless you.
20 And again the word of the LORD came unto Haggai in the four and twentieth day of the month, saying,
21 Speak to Zerubbabel, governor of Judah, saying, I will shake the heavens and the earth;
22 And I will overthrow the throne of kingdoms, and I will destroy the strength of the kingdoms of the heathen; and I will overthrow the chariots, and those that ride in them; and the horses and their riders shall come down, every one by the sword of his brother.
This passage contains an obvious allusion to the Tribulation with earthquakes (shaking the earth) and may also be linked to Revelation references to stars falling from the sky (shaking the heavens). The reference of brother being slain by the sword of brother is another link to the parallel passage in Ezekiel; and the Lord destroys the kingdoms, suggesting his destruction of Gog and Magog. Additionally, there is the picture of brother fighting brother, again suggesting that infighting or confusion that will put the nail into the coffin of Gog and Magog's invasion.
Notice that Haggai gives the exact day of the month for this event (which, remember, comes after the Rapture). In both verse 18 and 20 it is noted that the 24th day will be key -- as if God wants to be sure there's no mistake about which day in the ninth month of the Jewish calendar, Kislev (also known as Chisleu), this will occur.
(The laying of the foundation for the Lord's Temple suggests the building has commenced. However this may only refer to the date of the first Temple. Or it may be that the new Temple will be built on the foundation stones of the original.)
A SPECIAL DATE
This date is of interest because it occurs just one day before a very special Jewish festival: Hanukkah. Anywhere else, such timing would seem rather an odd coincidence. With God, things are different. As most Biblical scholars know, there's no such thing as "an odd coincidence" when it comes to Bible prophecy.
For those unfamiliar with Hanukkah (also spelled "Chanukah"), it's a Jewish festival that occurs in December (on the 25th day of the Hebrew month Kislev). The festival marks the re-consecration of the Temple of Jerusalem after its recapture from the Syrian Greeks (c.165 BC).
The original celebration of Hanukkah took place on the day after the Jews recaptured the temple site. So even the event that Hanukkah commemorates, actually took place on the 24th day of Kislev.
Another key event in Jewish history also took place on the day before Hanukkah. In 1917, the Allied Expeditionary Force under General Allenby to take control of Jerusalem following the destruction of the Turkish Ottoman Empire at the end of WWI. The day that Allenby and his force entered Jerusalem was Dec. 9, 1917 -- the 24th day of Kislev.
JESUS AND HANUKKAH
One might think that Jesus would have ignored this festival since it wasn't ordained in the Old Testament. In fact, he appears to have taken part in it and had a very provocative response when questioned during the event.
John 10:22-28: At that time the Feast of Hanukkah (Dedication) took place at Jerusalem; it was winter, and Jesus was walking in the temple in the portico of Solomon. The Jews therefore gathered around Him, and were saying to Him, "How long will You keep us in suspense? If You are the Messiah, tell us plainly." Jesus answered them, "I told you, and you do not believe; the works that I do in My Father's name, these bear witness of Me. But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep. My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them, and they shall never perish; and no one shall snatch them out of My hand."
This statement has an obvious meaning. However one might speculate that the "hear my voice" might also refer to the voice that brings the dead to life at the first resurrection and brings the living with them as they are "snatched up" to heaven just before the Great Tribulation begins. Interestingly, Christ refers to holding sheep in his hand and that they can't be snatched from his hand by anyone else.
Could this be a veiled reference to the Rapture? In the English translation this seems like a stretch. But a closer look makes the possibility seem likely. In English translations, Jesus' reply to the Jewish leaders at the Festival of Hanukkah doesn't seem to hint at the Tribulation prophecies. But in the original Greek, a very important link appears, especially when this verse is compared to what Paul wrote about the Rapture.
Paul wrote in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, "For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God; and the dead in Christ shall rise first; then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air; and so shall we ever be with the Lord." This is the reference to the rapture in the New Testament.
The Greek word used for "caught up" in this passage is harpuzo, which means to catch up, pluck, snatch, pull, or take by force. (Translated into Latin, this word becomes raptiere; anglicized, the word "rapture" is born.) So the word that means "Rapture" is harpuzo.
And here's the connection: When Christ said, "...no one shall snatch them out of My hand.", his statement employs the same Greek word: harpuzo. Arguably we should not make too much of this, yet it seems like another of the "amazing coincidences" that are actually part of God's plan. The use of harpuzo in both instances suggests a link.
If so, was Christ saying that the Rapture will have taken place and that he will have already snatched his believers from the Earth, making it impossible to snatch them back again? This seems like a viable conclusion and fits very nicely with the links between the day before Hanukkah and the prophecies about it.
MY SHEEP HEAR MY VOICE
There may be another hidden reference to the Rapture in Christ's statement that his sheep hear his voice. In Revelation 4:1-2 there's another piece to the puzzle that shows the Rapture occurring before the Tribulation.
John writes, "...I looked and behold, a door was opened in heaven; and the first voice that I heard was, as it were, a trumpet talking with me; which said, 'Come up here and I will show thee things which must be hereafter.' And immediately I was in the Spirit and, behold, a throne was set in heaven and one sat on the throne."
It should also be noted that the order "Come up here" has a familiar ring to it. In John 11:43-44, Jesus gives a similar command
43 And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, "Lazarus, come forth."
44 And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with grave clothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go.
Thus the Lords simple command that brought Lazarus miraculously to life, is echoed in the Revelation's "trumpet talking" and that not only John but all the Christians on earth go into heaven at this time, answering the command to, "Come up here." That this order is likened to a trumpet provides another piece to the puzzle. This links Christ's spoken command to the sound of the last trumpet, a point of importance to those familiar with Jewish traditions (as outlined below).
This also fits into the puzzle outlined above in the Old Testament passages since it places the Rapture of the Church into heaven ahead of the plagues and destruction that follow during the Tribulation, as outlined in the rest of the book of Revelation.
THE LAST TRUMPET
There are links between the Jewish trumpet in both battle as well as references to the same trumpet in the Rapture. Paul wrote another short passage that refers to the Rapture; First Corinthians 15:51-52 "Behold, I show you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump; for the trumpet shall sound and the dead shall be raised..."
The "last trumpet" to the Hebrews (and to early Christians also) is a key phrase with meaning beyond what most of us realize. This "last trumpet" in this passage isn't the metallic trumpet of the West; rather it's a ram's horn known as the shofar. Blown during the religious festival of Rosh HaShanah (also known as Yom Teruah or the Feast of Trumpets), the shofar marked the beginning of the Jewish New Year.
The shofar is also linked by Jewish tradition to the raising of the dead to life and for sounding the alarm when battle is imminent. (As noted in another article we've written, this is also one reason that some scholars feel that Rosh HaShanah might be the day that the Rapture occurs.)
The important thing to note here is that the shofar is linked by Jewish tradition to the resurrection of the dead (which, according to Paul, takes place for those who have died in Christ at the time of the Rapture) and that the shofar is also linked by Bible as an instrument used to worn of battle and conflict.
THE TRUMPET
When one realizes that the shofar is linked both to battle as well as resurrection, another passage adds important chunks to our puzzle. This passage links the "Day of the Lord" (or Great Tribulation), the invasion of Israel by a great army from the North, and the delivery of Israel by God (the "fear not" in the last verse of this passage).
Joel 2:1-32
1 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;
2 A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.
3 A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.
4 The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run
5 Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array.
6 Before their face the people shall be much pained: all faces shall gather blackness.
7 They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the wall like men of war; and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks:
8 Neither shall one thrust another; they shall walk every one in his path: and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded.
9 They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief.
10 The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:
11 And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?
12 Therefore also now, saith the LORD, turn ye even to me with all your heart, and with fasting, and with weeping, and with mourning:
13 And rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn unto the LORD your God: for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth him of the evil.
14 Who knoweth if he will return and repent, and leave a blessing behind him; even a meat offering and a drink offering unto the LORD your God?
15 Blow the trumpet in Zion, sanctify a fast, call a solemn assembly:
16 Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet.
17 Let the priests, the ministers of the LORD, weep between the porch and the altar, and let them say, Spare thy people, O LORD, and give not thine heritage to reproach, that the heathen should rule over them: wherefore should they say among the people, Where is their God?
18 Then will the LORD be jealous for his land, and pity his people.
19 Yea, the LORD will answer and say unto his people, Behold, I will send you corn, and wine, and oil, and ye shall be satisfied therewith: and I will no more make you a reproach among the heathen:
20 But I will remove far off from you the northern army, and will drive him into a land barren and desolate, with his face toward the east sea, and his hinder part toward the utmost sea, and his stink shall come up, and his ill savour shall come up, because he hath done great things.
21 Fear not, O land; be glad and rejoice: for the LORD will do great things.
The above passage links the blowing of the trumpet of God (and -- through our other links -- the rapture) with the beginning of the Day of the Lord (AKA the Great Tribulation). It also ties into Gog and Magog in verse 20 as the "northern army".
THE REVELATION TIE-IN
We now have enough puzzle pieces to flesh out another Biblical passage.
Revelation 6:12-17
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
When we realize that the great earthquake in this passage most likely occurs in a close time frame to the defeat of Gog and Magog by God's hand, then we see that this is the start of the Great Tribulation and, therefore, the Rapture must have preceded this event. The key elements that can be recognized in this passage are the great earthquake and the raining down of plagues upon the inhabitants of the earth.
Placing the Rapture before this even also supports the idea that the voice (sounding like a trumpet) that calls John up to heaven in Chapter 4 of Revelation must indeed be the event signaling the Rapture of the church. Furthermore, this explains why the Church is missing from the account of what's happening on earth during much of the rest of Revelation's narrative from Chapter 4 on. The Church isn't mentioned after that point, because it is in Heaven with Christ.
THE ANTICHRIST
Revelation Chapter 6 records the first appearance of the Antichrist as the man on the white horse. The white horse suggests a charismatic leader who portrays himself as a good man. In fact he is being accompanied by the other horsemen who kill and destroy. Riding with this first figure on a white horse is a similar man on a pale horse; this fourth horseman is Death.
This is an interesting parallel to Isaiah where we learn of the "Covenant with Death and Hell" (perhaps alluding to the idea that "Hell" is the figure of the Antichrist and "Death" is the fourth rider traveling with him).
Isaiah 28:15: Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:
The timeline of these prophecies also rules out the possibility that the destruction of Gog and Magog is part of the Battle of Armageddon since Christ returns much later in Revelation (Chapter 19).
CONCLUSION
There's an important picture that can be assembled from all of the puzzle pieces in these passages. First, the beginning of the Great Tribulation may begin on the 24th day of the ninth month of the Hebrew calendar. The catch is in knowing which year this will occur in -- hence the "no man knows the day or hour" still applies.
However that year may be very, very near, as shown by the events mentioned which have either already occurred or which might easily happen with little or no major changes on the world scene. For example in Ezekiel, God lays out the events that lead up to the invasion by Gog and Magog. This passage tells of the end of Jewish exile and the creation of a Jewish state:
Ezekiel 36:24: For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
This idea is repeated in Chapter 37:21-22
21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land.
22 And I will make them one nation upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.
These passages were written when Israel was a divided nation. Now, after over 2,000 years later, Israel is a single entity once again. These conditions have now been met with the creation of Israel in 1948 and the return of the Jews to this homeland. This event has occurred and the next chapter of Ezekiel is the invasion by Gog and Magog.
On our assembled puzzle timeline then, the next event is the Rapture. The stage is set for this to occur.
How far ahead of the invasion the Rapture occurs is unknown; but it would seem logical that it will come a very short time before the invasion, given the fact that such a momentous event as the sudden vanishing of a large chunk of the world's population will create the type of confusion that Gog and Magog might try to use to their advantage in attacking Israel. Or it may be that the two events will very nearly coincide so that the Rapture is missed during the noise and confusion of the fighting, earthquakes, and plagues.
Some have argued that the Jewish Temple must be built before the Rapture occurs. However this goes against the time-line of Ezekiel. Not until we reach Chapters 40 - 47:12 are the details of the rebuilding of Israel's Temple in Jerusalem given. The Rapture and the invasion must surely happen before the Temple is built, perhaps after the Antichrist has established his power.
Given the fact that plans are currently being made for the building of the new Temple in Israel, with some of the instruments and furnishings of the Temple being purchased and constructed, this also suggests that the time of these events may be very close.
The assembled puzzle shows that the picture is almost to take place. This is undoubtedly the most important point for both the believer and unbeliever alike. Time is short and must be used carefully, in prayer and witnessing so the world can know about the saving grace of God's Son, the Jewish Messiah and the Savior of all who would make Him their Lord.
I have been able to keep reading most of the letters and have been greatly blessed by all the information that the Lord is communicating through all you wonderful people!! As we draw nearer to the end of this year, I feel compelled to send a letter that I wrote way back in May. The Lord put this date on my heart and even though there were so many other good dates before this one, I felt led to investigate its potential as a possible time.
Because my time in limited in using this computer, I am just going to copy and paste my original letter. Also, I was going to do more information, as in parts, but my research was lost when I lost my computer. therefore this is all that I have left. I feel that others are also looking at possible December dates, so this may fit it at this juncture. Below is the original letter.
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May, 2012
The Lord placed this date on my heart a few months ago, and since then, I have been looking into why this could possibly be an important date to look at. From reading all the letters posted here, every day, I have been gathering information from a number a contributors and working on putting puzzle pieces together. Each day, it seems I am giving a new piece and to put in this puzzle.
I also want to mention, that last year, before I had ever heard of Five Doves, I was led by the Lord to look into Chanukah as a possible rapture date, and when I found this website, there was so much support for it being a date of major consideration!! I remember how very sure I felt that the Rapture would happen on the 4th day of Chanukah. It seemed so right…so real!!!
Since then, no other date has come close to giving me that feeling of certain departure. I still believe that all the dates being mentioned for the Spring, Summer and Fall, have a great deal of validity, and I pray that we are gone before this coming December. Yet, the intensity of the last year could mean that it was the right time, but just a year down the road. We will see.
I am going to look at this date in many different ways. That is why I am dividing this study into parts. First of all, I want to look at the numbers and their Biblical significance; the numbers 12 and the number 4. (Please note how these numbers also contain the numbers 3 and 7, 4X3=12 and 4+3=7) These numbers are perhaps the most sacred of all numbers. More on that later.
12/12/12 is a date that could only happen every hundred years!! Also the number is made up of the numbers 3 and 4, which also have divine implications. We already know that 12 is the number of completion, and have to do with the Bride and New Jerusalem. It also symbolizes perfect government, thus pointing to the Bride ruling with Christ, in heaven.
Also, Chanukah starts on the 8th of December, this year, and the 4th day would be the 12th. I really believe that the 4th day has special meaning and points directly to our Lord and Savior.
I found a wonderful website that gives the total meaning of these numbers throughout the Bible and I will be quoting directly from site, but will not be including the whole commentaries. If you would like to read all the info you can go to it directly:
We will look at the number 12 first, and then the number 4, as they very much relate to each other.
The Number 12
Twelve is a perfect number, signifying perfection of government, or of governmental perfection. It is found as a multiple in all that has to do with rule. The sun which "rules" the day and the moon and stars which "govern" the night, do so by their passage through the twelve signs of the Zodiac which completes the great circle of the heavens of 360 (12 x 30) degrees or divisions, and thus govern the year.
Twelve is the product of 3 (the perfectly Divine and heavenly number) and 4 (the earthly, the number of what is material and organic).
While seven is composed of 3 added to 4, twelve is 3 multiplied by 4, and hence denotes that which can scarcely be explained in words, but which the spiritual perception can at once appreciate, viz., organization, the products denoting production and multiplication and increase of all that is contained in the two numbers separately. The 4 is generally prominently seen in the twelve.
The number 12 is found 187 times total in the Bible, 22 of which are in the book of Revelation.
The number 12 represents divine authority and appointment, as well as governmental foundation and perfection, and shows completeness. 12 are also used as a signature of Israel. Truth is symbolized by 144, or 12 x 12.
There are 12 divisions of heaven called the Mazzaroth, which God uses for signs and seasons. The testimony of the stars is numerically in harmony with the Bible: "The heavens declare the glory of God and the firmament shows His handiwork" (Psalms 19:1).
There were 12 sons of Jacob, whose families formed the 12 tribes of Israel with 12 princes; there were also 12 princes of Ishmael.
The high priest’s breastplate, used for judgment, had 12 stones representing the 12 tribes. The showbread consisted of 12 loaves. During the period of the judges, 12 judges judged Israel. Solomon appointed 12 officers over Israel.
At age 12, Jesus appeared at the temple. Jesus ordained 12 apostles, who were sent with authority to preach the Gospel and to be witnesses of His resurrection. After His resurrection, Jesus told the apostles that He had been given all authority in heaven and earth — the divine authority of God.
During the great tribulation, 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes of Israel are saved, totaling 144,000 (Revelation 7). A second 144,000 are gathered from the earth to serve the Lamb and follow Him (Revelation 14:1-5). The bride of Christ is pictured with a crown of 12 stars (Revelation 12:1).
The New Jerusalem has 12 gates of pearls, 12 angels at the gates and the names of the 12 tribes of Israel over the gates. The wall of the city has 12 foundations of precious stones; in them are the names of the 12 apostles. The wall is 144 cubits high (12 x 12). The city is 12,000 furlongs (1,500 miles) square.
THE NUMBER 4
Now the number four is made up of three and one (3+1=4) and it denotes, therefore, and marks that which follows the revelation of God in the Trinity, namely, His creative works. He is known by the things that are seen. Hence the written revelation commences with the words, "In the beginning God CREATED." Creation is therefore the next thing - the fourth thing, and the number four always has reference to all that is created. It is emphatically the number of Creation; of man in his relation to the world as created.
What is the four-fold division of Mankind?
In Genesis 10, "the generations of the sons of Noah" are comprised in a four-fold description. However the order may be varied, the number is preserved:
Verse 5: lands, tongues, families, nations
Verse 20: families, tongues, countries, nations
Verse 31: families, tongues, lands, nations
Where is EVE mentioned by name in the Bible?
Four times "Eve" mentioned in the Bible by name:
• Genesis 3:20
• Genesis 4:1
• 2 Corinthians 11:3
• 1 Timothy 2:13
The Number 4 represents creation, which marks God’s creative works. It is the signature of the world.
The material creation was finished on the 4th day — with the sun, moon and stars ordained for 4 things:
• Signs
• Seasons
• Days
• Years
The 4th commandment — "Remember the Sabbath to keep it holy" — was given to man at creation.
There are 4 gospel accounts of Jesus’ life and ministry, each one of which emphasizes a different aspect of Jesus' ministry and sacrifice:
• Matthew: Jesus as the Son of David and King
• Mark: Jesus as the Suffering Servant
• Luke: Jesus as the Perfect Man
John: Jesus as the Only Begotten Son of God.
FOUR: The number 4 represents God's creative works, especially works associated with the earth:
• 4 cardinal directions N, S, E, W. with 4 Angels at four corners of the earth holding back the 4 winds of the world [Revelation 7:1].
• The Covenant People of God had 4 divisions of daylight (Dawn - 9AM; 9AM-12 Noon; 12 Noon - 3PM; 3PM - Sunset).
• 4 lunar phases.
• 4 seasons.
• 4 rivers flowed out of Eden [Genesis 2:10].
• 4 consonants formed God's covenant name YHWH.
• 4 cherubim [Genesis 3:22-24; Ezekiel 1:10].
• In Ezekiel's vision of the heavenly throne/chariot the cherubim each had 4 faces with four wheels [Ezekiel 1:10-12].
• 4 women gave birth to the fathers of the 12 Tribes of Israel.
• The prayer shawl has 4 corners with 4 tassels [Numbers 15:38-39].
• 4 heavenly creatures. [Revelation 4:6-8]
• Israelite camp divided into 4 parts when camping around the tabernacle [Numbers 2:1-34].
• 4th book of the Bible is Numbers, in Hebrew B'Midbar = gematria 248 or 4 x 62.
• The ancients considered there to be 4 elements, earth, fire, air, and water.
• Bible has 4-fold division of mankind: lands, tongues, families and nations [Revelation 13:7].
• 4 cups of wine are used at the Passover Seder.
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There is so much more information about these numbers, but for my purposes here I just want to get at the essence of them, and how they apply to the Bride of Christ, and the Rapture of the Church.
We can easily see that the number 12 is the perfect number to represent the Bride. The number 12 represents perfection and completion, and then number 4 represents Creation and all that has been created on earth. The Bride would be the perfection of the Lord’s creation, out of mankind, and the Christ is the Lord of Creation. All the 4’s mentioned above points to Christ… all of creation, the 4 gospels the 4th commandment to honor the Sabbath, (Jesus is the Sabbath) as he is the Temple, and He is all and everything.
How this plays into the date 12/12/12 as a date to look at for rapture is still to be seen. Yet, this all stands out to me as the most numerically perfect date!!
Yet,the major reason I am looking at this date is what is happening in the world right now, and all the heavenly signs occurring around this date. Yet, the main one remains the fact, the Lord put this date in my mind and heart, and how intensely I felt about rapture being on the 4th day of Chanukah, last year. I really feel that it was the right day, just the wrong year.
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That is the original letter, and I would like to add a few other thoughts to it, now. I strongly feel that rapture has to happen before the end of this year, before that last portal of evil opens up on December 21st and the END OF THE AGE!!! Jesus plainly told us that He would be with us until the end of the age, it is my highest hope that at the end of the Age we will be with Him!! I pray that will be the case!!
Thank you John and all doves for all for your wonderful letters and all the blessings and encouragement they bring!! You are always in my thoughts and prayers. Much agape love to everyone!!
May God bless you all as we ready ourselves to take the ultimate JOURNEY!!
COME LORD JESUS!!!
Patti C.
Ola Ilori (19 Oct 2012)
"CHRISTMAS RAPTURE DREAMS"
Hi Doves,
All the Fall Feasts for 2012 have come and gone without the Rapture taking place. Over the Years I've learnt that rapture dates should only be viewed as possible dates, regardless of the evidence suggesting otherwise.
For we all have the tendency to ignore rapture dates that don't agree with our own.
We should all be willing to admit we could be wrong and be open to other possible rapture dates being revealed to other saints.
Over the Years many Christians have had dreams of the Rapture occurring just before or on Christmas Day itself!
For this reason, I believe our next Rapture watch window should be during the Christmas Week.
In the Year 2007, Becki had the following dream, my comments follow.
She wrote,
"I would like to tell you all about a dream that I had in 2007.
It may just be only a dream, but it seemed so real to me.
In March of 2007 my sister past away. Oh, how I missed her so much. We were very close. We saw each other almost everyday or we would talk on the phone.
She was 40 when she passed away.
After she died, I had prayed and prayed to the Lord to please let me have a dream about her because I missed her so much. After a couple of months I got my dream.
In my dream I was so happy to see her. We were walking down a road and she wanted to show me a store. The name of the store was "Temple Mount Gift Shop".
Inside the store were thousands of bicycles. They were everywhere. You could hardly move around the shop for all the bicycles. They were even hanging from the ceiling. I asked her why there are so many bicycles, and she said there would be lots and lots of kids there in time for Christmas.
And finally, a British You-Tube poster (who was not at all familiar with the Vincent Tan encounter) decoded the Key by adding the sums of the successive dates in countdown fashion since the turn of the century:
1
1
1
1-Jan-01
2
2
2
2-Feb-02
3
3
3
3-Mar-03
4
4
4
4-Apr-04
5
5
5
5-May-05
6
6
6
6-Jun-06
7
7
7
7-Jul-07
8
8
8
8-Aug-08
9
9
9
9-Sep-09
10
10
10
10-Oct-10
11
11
11
11-Nov-11
12
12
12
12-Dec-12
78
78
78
234
Hanukkah begins at sunset Saturday, December 8, 2012 and ends at nightfall Sunday, December 16, 2012
VR2 (25 June 2012)
"Another Confirmation Of The Soon Rapture"
Dear Doves,
Last night I read parts of a book, "Dead To Live Again" I had read about 4 years ago. It's the story of Ronald Posey, who had died three times between May 11 and July 27, 2002, had gone to paradise and back. Ronnie was a dear, loving man, who I had to opportunity to meet and talk with in 2008.
Well, I wanted to read the book again, especially the part that talked about the valley of decision. I love this book and am so lifted up and encouraged when I read it.
I had forgotten a really interesting part of the book, until I read it again last night. When Ronnie was talking and walking with God, he asked Him when He was going to send Jesus to get His bride. Here is what is written in the book:
"Soon. Very soon. See that portal? Go look through it."
I did, and saw the number seventy.
"If you live to be that age, there is a great possibility that you will be in the catching away of the saints."
There is more, much more, but that is one of the high points. In fact, Ronnie told me the book would be way too big if he put everything in there that he saw and heard. It really is an amazing book and my spirit attests and lines up with it, that it is true when I read it. He even described the large table where the marriage supper would take place...what the serving pieces and even the chairs looked like. Beautiful!
Ronnie was born in April 5, 1943. He passed away one or two years ago. So if he had lived to be 70, that would be April of 2013. That is less than 10 months away...so any time before that. Wow! So exciting!
Encounter # 3: Vincent's second (confirmed)
I recently confirmed personally with Vincent that he has had another encounter, this time with an unnamed angel, on Thursday, December 23, 1993 ….
The December 23, 1993 Experience. Shortly after 11 p.m.,
December 23, 1993, Vincent was in his truck returning home from visiting a friend …
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"Do you believe the Lord is coming soon?" Vincent said yes. Then the man said, "He is coming very, very soon, and we need to be ready now and always."
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The man asked Vincent, "Do you read your Bible?" Vincent replied that he tried to read it every day. The man said, "That's very good. It's unfortunate that many do not do that. Having Bible studies is like being in a big room with many candles that are lit."
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Then again, he amazingly flipped directly to Revelation 3, verse 11, and read: "Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown." With that, the man put the Bible back in the glove compartment. Vincent reflected that all three passages, and everything the man said, was about the Lord's return.
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Dec 23, 1993 … 8400 days … Dec 23, 2016:
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Dec 23, 2016
23 December 2016 – United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon today welcomed the adoption of a Security Council resolution which states that the establishment of Israeli settlements in Palestinian territory occupied since 1967, have “no legal validity,” constitute a “flagrant violation” under international law and are a “major obstacle” to a two-State solution and a just, lasting and comprehensive peace.
The Security Council votes on resolution reiterating
its demand that Israel immediately and completely cease
all settlement activities in the occupied Palestinian
territory, including East Jerusalem. The vote was 14 in
favour, with one abstention (United States). UN
Photo/Manuel Elias
The Security Council votes on resolution reiterating its demand that Israel immediately and completely cease all settlement activities in the occupied Palestinian territory, including East Jerusalem. The vote was 14 in favour, with one abstention (United States). UN Photo/Manuel Elias
‘A Great Sign appeared in Heaven: a Woman clothed with the Sun, with the Moon under her feet and a Crown of 12 stars on her head. She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. Then another Sign appeared in Heaven: an enormous Red Dragon with 7 Heads and 10 Horns and 7 Crowns on its heads. Its tail swept a .33 part of the Stars out of the sky and flung them to the Earth. The Dragon stood in front of the Woman who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her Child the moment He was born. She gave birth to a Son, a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.” And her Child was snatched up (Raptured) to GOD and to His Throne. The Woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by GOD, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days.’
-Revelation 12:1-7 with emphases
Probably aside from the Blood Moon Tetrad phenomenon, the Revelation 12 Virgo sign will be the most significant and hyped celestial event in the Last Days aside from the flyby of Planet X. This study suggests that perhaps these signs are all one in the same that could converge on September 23, 2017 which by the way will be Rosh HaShanah. Another uncanny synchronization of this Virgo sign is that it occurs on the Fall Equinox. What is fascinating is that such celestial events keep occurring and/or are pegged to the Moedim or Feasts of YHVH as were the Blood Moons. The Revelation 12 Virgo sign seems to be a multifaceted array of encrypted prophecy, past, present and future.
Jesus did say that such celestial signs were to be taken into consideration concerning prophecy in the Last Days. This study seeks to emphasize what most who study this Virgo topic have missed an additional sign, aside from the ‘birthing’ of Jupiter. The Comet 67p will conjoin the Moon during the sign configuration. What is so spectacular aside from its ’67 coefficient –as in ’19-67’ is that it was the comet where Humanity has first successfully landed a space probe on it while in flight. According to research, this comet was first observed on photographic plates in 1969 by Soviet astronomers Klim Ivanovych Churyumov and Svetlana Ivanovna Gerasimenko, after whom it was named.
The landing of a space probe on the comet, 67P/Churyumov - Gerasimenko (комета Чурюмова - Герасименко) was spearheaded by the European Space Agency ESA. The name of the project was called the Rosetta Mission. This Rosetta Mission proposed to land a Probe on the moving comet or asteroid in essence. This probe was launched on March 2, 2004. The Rosetta Probe made its rendezvous with the comet on August 6, 2014. The 67p comet according to Wikipedia is a Jupiter-family comet, originally from the Kuiper Belt. Interestingly, the probe entered the comet’s orbit around September 11, 2014. The Rosetta Probe had a Lander called Philae. This Lander touched down on the comet’s surface amazingly on November 12, 2014 (November 11 UTC).
The ‘Birthing’ of the Sons of the King
The comet will conjoin the Moon at Virgo’s feet on September 23, 2017. As noted, what is amazing and unique about this comet is that it is also to be incorporated into the now infamous book of Revelation 12 Virgo sign in the heavens. Philae become the first spacecraft sent by humans from Earth to land on a comet’s nucleus. Comet 67p has a rotation period of approximately 12.4 hours and a maximum velocity of 135,000 km/h or 84,000 mph. The mathematical calculus of such a landing demonstrates the ability of mankind to fulfill the divine directive of YHVH. It is for Humanity to master the dominion set forth by YHVH of the Earth and beyond. It is this comet that will be in conjunction with the Moon and will contribute to the astounding array of amazing prophetic and Biblical motifs that day. The Revelation 12 Virgo sign along with Jupiter being ‘birthed’, the Moon-Comet 67p in conjunction and the planetary alignment of Mars-Mercury-Venus will start on the Sabbath sundown for Jerusalem. If one is to look west from the Temple Mount, the Leo constellation will set first below the horizon.
Many believe this array of the stars in Leo plus the 3 aligned planets of Mars, Mercury and Venus constitutes the 12-star crown of Virgo. At the point of the sunset it might be possible to see the comet conjunction with the Moon at Virgo’s feet as the constellation of Virgo also descends into the horizon. Perhaps the Comet 67p will also be noticeable or with the aid of a generic telescope at least. This celestial tapestry of the Virgo sign and imagery have to do with the subsequent contention of the center piece of the prophetic motif, the Manchild. This imagery corresponds astronomically to the planet Jupiter that is ‘birthed’ out of Virgo. On this Jewish New Year, the planet Jupiter which is the Planet of the King Messiah will have been ‘birthed out of Virgo’s ‘womb first in the sequence of the prophetic motifs. This study suggests that the Comet 67p could be tied to the 50th year count from 1967. The following are some observations.
The Virgo Revelation sign on September 22/23, 2017 = Rosh HaShanah and Fall Equinox.
2017 = 50th year since 1967 liberation of Jerusalem, City of the King. Jubilee Year?
Comet 67p alluding to 1967 accents the Revelation 12 Virgo Sign next to Moon in 5777.
June 7, 1967 + 49 years x 360 day/year = 17640 days = Yom Kippur of September 23, 2015
When the Jubilee is to have been proclaimed, as believed by some 5776.
To reiterate, many people do not realize that what makes this astronomical Virgo sign of such prophetic importance is the Star or Planet of the Messiah. The planet Jupiter was ‘birthed’ out of the ‘womb’ area of Virgo. On the Rosh HaShanah New Year of September 23, 2017, Jupiter will have been ‘birthed’ already for 13 days. This is amazing given the iconoclastic imagery of Revelation 12 that specifically infers to the Manchild that is birthed, the Messiah, or as Jupiter is the King of the planets. Then this ‘corporal body’ is Raptured before the Red Dragon can devour it. The 12-star crown composed in Leo does lend credence to that being a sign specific to Israel as Jerusalem’s coat of arms is the Lion of Judah; the Messiah with the 12 stars constituting the 12 Tribes of Israel. However, its duality also prophetically suggests that they are Jesus’ 12 Disciples and Virgo is as the Church that will birth and later ‘rapture’ the Church Age Saints as one Body of Christ -as it were. The following is the breakdown of one of the possible interpretations of the sequential order and prophetic typology.
A Gestation Period
The retrograde of Jupiter of 9 months occurs astronomically in the constellation of Virgo. This amazing coincidence leads up to the September 23, 2017 Virgo sign. Prophetically it alludes to the present ‘Pentecostal’ 7-fold Church Age based on the coefficient of 50. Interestingly, from 1967, the day Jerusalem and the Temple Mount were liberation to this sign will be the 50th year. It is the present Church Age where the Apostle Paul likened himself as a ‘midwife’ that labored until ‘Christ be formed in you, the Hope of Glory’. In essence it is the work and labor of GOD the Holy Spirit doing the transformation in a Disciple of Jesus until the ‘Manchild’ is raptured-up.
A Contentious Opposition
During the process of the gestation or ‘retrograde’ of Jupiter, it could allude to a type of the wilderness journey from Egypt to the Promised Land. During the Exodus and throughout the conquest of the Promised Land and up to now, there has been nothing but contention from without and within. It is Lucifer that is the Accuser of the Brethren and seeks to prevail over the Church of Jesus but can’t during this Age; he will be allowed during the Time of Jacob’s Trouble. Throughout the Church Age, there has been nothing but tribulation as a refinement process allowed by the LORD to prepare the Bride through such trials and tribulations. This contention foremost is between Lucifer, the Anoint (Christ) Cherub and the true Christ, Jesus.
A Birthing Day
The end result of the labor is that of the Glorification; of new life. This ‘new life’ that comes about occurs in one day, thus a concrete ‘birth-day’. This prophetic birthday event will perhaps coincide with the Glorification spoken by the Apostle Paul. This glorification birthday is the final 3rd stage of the comprehensive salvation plan of YHVH for Humanity. This will occur on the ‘birth day’ that will be consummated at the point of the Resurrection and Rapture of the Bride of Christ. As noted, the prophetic motif of the Manchild astronomically concerns the planet of the Messiah, Jupiter. The verbiage of Revelation 12 is very clear that it is specifically referencing that the Rapture occurs first before a ‘devouring’ of the Red Dragon is allowed and its ramifications will impact the Earth. Only the Messiah will return to rule with a scepter, etc. However the book of Romans teaches that those found in Jesus, will rise if they be found in Jesus, just as He rose from the dead and thereafter raptured to be glorified. Specifically, Jupiter is ‘birthed’ as it crosses the threshold of Virgo’s ‘womb’ on September 9, 2017.
A Translation to the Tabernacle
As noted, based on the typology and sequence given in Revelation 12, the Virgo sign suggests that the Rapture or translation of the Manchild occurs before the judgment of the Great Dragon. This sequence thus could lend some credence in that the Resurrection and Rapture event occurring at a ‘blink of an eye’ will transpire before the judgement of Lucifer is executed. Lucifer after the initial Rapture will be forever thrust down to Earth never to have access to the Judicial Thrown of YHVH to accuse the Brethren. It could be the case that the Rapture event is to happen just prior to the actual even. Jupiter is ‘birthed’ 13 days before the exact Virgo sign configures on the 23rd of September, that being the Jewish New Year. Could it be that there is a prophetic timeframe of a 13 numerical coefficient that signals the timing of the Resurrection and Rapture? If one subtracts 13 months from September 23, 2017, the end date will be August 23, 2016. However is one uses the prophetic 30 day/month count, then
30 day/month x 13x then x = 390 days
390 days – September 23, 2017 = September 1, 2016 eve of an Annular solar eclipse
This is not to say that the Resurrection and Rapture event will be on these dates but based on the prophetic pattern it could very well be one of the possibly timing among the many unknowns.
The Judgement Falls
The motif of the translation of the Manchild speaks to an escape from the harm and judgment of the coming Red Dragon’s wrath. What this study also conjectures is that after the Resurrection and Rapture, the time of Lucifer’s judgment commences. As noted, it will affect the Earth with its ramification of having the ‘stars’ fall to it. As the Manchild goes up, Lucifer comes down based on this typology and sequence. Thus the time of Tribulation is the time of judgment of the Red Dragon and for the inhabitants of the Earth. As the Bride of Christ or that of the Body of Christ is taken to the Tabernacle of YHVH in Haven, this is exactly the same prophetic language and sequence spoken by Isaiah 26:19-21.
‘Your dead will live; Their corpses will rise. You who lie in the dust, awake and shout for joy, For your dew is as the dew of the dawn, And the earth will give birth to the departed spirits. Come, my people, enter into your rooms And close your doors behind you; Hide for a little while Until indignation runs its course. For behold, the LORD is about to come out from His place To punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity; And the earth will reveal her bloodshed And will no longer cover her slain.’
The Pentecost Pattern
Tangibly, the liberation of the Temple Mount to include the old city of Jerusalem in 1967, to some occurred in Pentecost. This is based on alternative calendar counts. What is significant is that there appears to be a 50-year prophetic pattern. This occurs if one counts 50 years from the June 7, 1967 start date that to some is a prophetic countdown. During the June 7, 1967 recapture of Jerusalem and the Temple Mount by the Jews, there was another personal synchronization that prophetically accented this amazing day. It is well understood that Shlomo Goren, the Chief Rabbi for the IDF that blew the Shofar at the Western Wall was born in 1917. This was when a ‘decree’ was proclaimed by Belfour that the Jews were to have their homeland restored. That same year, Jerusalem was liberated by the British from the Muslim Turks. Amazingly, this Chief Rabbi was in his 50th year on that day in 1967. Of note, it will be 50 years from 1917 and the 50th year anniversary in 2017 (5777).
If one incorporates the 360 day/year coefficient, then the countdown from June 7, 1967 ends-up synchronizing to the lunar eclipse of September 16, 2016. This date is exactly 7 days or 1 week of a difference to the 23rd of September date in 2016. If one then uses this same 1-week template prior to the September 23, 2017 Virgo sign, then this 1-week pattern is also approximately what is depicted astronomically prior to the sign itself. If the same day of the year is subsequently a start point in the subsequent year of the Sign, it likewise becomes a 7-day or 1-week count-up to the Virgo sign in September 23, 2017. This being that it will take the Moon 7 days to traverse both Leo and Virgo to end up as the Great Sign of the book of Revelation 12. Moreover, this 7-day count-up can also be seen or considered as a ‘Menorah’ pattern.
A Pentecost-Menorah Pattern of Time
50 Years x 360 day/year = 18000 Days
June 7, 1967 + 18000 = September 16, 2016 (Lunar Eclipse - Penumbral)
Excluding end date
A Rapture and then the Red Dragon
What extenuates this ‘Menorah pattern’ hypothesis is the position of the Sun on September 16, 2017. The Sun will be exactly in the ‘Day 4’ or midpoint position astronomically of the prophetic count-up to where the Moon will end up as it travels across along the Ecliptic heading toward Virgo’s feet and conjoining Comet 67p. Likewise, the Sun appears to begin on this New Year with the 1st constellation of the Mazzaroth Virgo as Leo is the end. On September 16, 2017, Mars will be in conjunction and eclipses Mercury. This conjunction will be in approximate phi ratio to the King Star of Leo, Regulus and the Moon. Astonishingly, Jupiter will be in approximate phi ratio to the Moon-Comet 67p conjunction and the Sun on September 23, 2017. The 7-day prior position of the Moon in front of Leo will also have Mars-Mercury-Venus in conjunction and in approximate phi ratio to each other. The other approximate phi ratio will be with the same conjunction of Mars-Mercury to Regulus and Venus.
At this point the prophetic depiction of the Revelation 12 Virgo sign also has a prominent ‘immense or giant Red Dragon’ that appears next to the Virgo and Jupiter according to the prophetic vision. The Revelation 12 Virgo sign contention comes from the 7-headed giant Red Dragon that stands in front of the Virgin as if to devour her Manchild. Some researchers into the End of Days conjecture that perhaps this Red Dragon is also a euphemism for the incoming Giant Red Dwarf many call Nemesis. Will this be the time when the imagery then translates astronomically to the eclipses the giant Red Giant 2nd sun, the ‘Red Dragon’ destroyer of worlds? Perhaps it will be seen in the heavens during this time as well as an added sign.
Thus the poetic rendition of the Red Dragon language used by the Apostle John to describe this ‘other sign’ will also translate into an astronomical occurrence. It could also perhaps be seen on the Jewish New Year of September 22/23, 2017 at sunset as Virgo sets above the Temple Mount looking towards the west. This Red Giant Dwarf mini solar system is said to have the 7 planets and as the solar winds of the Sun make it appear to have wings or horns of a dragon. The 7 planets will be seen as the 7 heads of this giant Red Dragon. It will be an ominous sign for Israel as hopefully the Body of Christ –that of the Manchild would have been already birthed and raptured away to the Throne of YHVH. Thus the prophetic sequence of the sign of the Manchild makes the great escape to the ‘Chamber of YHVH’. Although such a sign speaks of the birth, rapture and escape of the Messiah, this day certainly will not be the day Jesus returns to Jerusalem.
Many opposed to the pre-Tribulation Rapture theory argue that the Church will not escape the Tribulation judgment. However, based on this prophetic imagery clearly tied to astronomical sequences, it would amount to Joseph, husband of Mary not heeding the warning by the Angel of the LORD to ‘escape’ to Egypt form the wrath the Dragon Lucifer. This ‘devouring’ through Herod was the contention against the Manchild of Mary, the Virgin as she gave birth. YHVH commanded a way of escape for the Messiah and subsequently all those found in Him concerning the Tribulation judgements and wrath that will befall the Earth and its inhabitants. This is stipulated as this ‘snatching-up’ depicts a rapture event or translation. To reiterate, this translation is directly associated to the planet Jupiter that was ‘birthed’ 13 days prior to the actual Virgo sign.
Now as to the timing of this coming Rapture and the flyby of Nemesis? If September 22/23, 2017 is when Nemesis will be seen by the naked-eye; that remains to be seen. Will that date be when Nemesis makes its official debut, undeniable to the world as every eye will see it? Perhaps. Will that time be the start of the Tribulation period in some way or be associated to it? However, consider that as divine signs go, the event such signs are inferring to may not actually occur until sometime in the future. Nonetheless, the sign of Virgo is ominous and prophetic that is heralding the coming end to a gestation period, a rapture translation, and a judgment. Thus based on this celestial tapestry, the snatching-away by force of the Manchild first before the judgment, at least sequentially it will occur before such a time.
Realize that the Revelation 12 Virgo sign occurs every year in September approximately with the Sun near the head region of Virgo’s head and the Moon at or near her feet, anthropomorphically. However, at no such time has a planet as in this case Jupiter in particular has accompanied the astronomical configuration to appear to be ‘birthed’ in the same time frame. As noted, what is astonishing is that prior to Jupiter’s ‘birthing’, the planet was in approximately a 9 month retrograde within the constellation of Virgo. Is this ‘birthing’ concerning the prophetic picture of the ‘Manchild’ a picture of the Rapture pattern to come? To reiterate, it is thereafter that the Great Red Dragon, Lucifer will be cast down as it were like falling stars with all his other Fallen Angelic hosts the Earth. This begins the subsequent judgments of the Tribulation of Daniel’s last Week of Years.
This prophetic scenario gives hope of at least a pre-Wrath Rapture of the Bride of Christ. At best it had occurred prior to all this as Jupiter was ‘birthed’ prior to the Rosh HaShanah synchronization of September 23, 2017. It is as if the Creator YHVH purposed this particular cosmic sign to be accented by a comet no less to suggest that the beginning of a matter is about to see its end or conclusion, thus perhaps in 5777. According to a few people that have actually calculated the Revelation 12 sign of this specific Virgo configuration, it is the only time in about 7000 years; 6000 since Christ and 1000 after Christ that it occurs. This means that it is once in a lifetime event or better yet human event. Thus if one just takes the imagery in sequence, the prophetic motifs suggests a rapture will occur first.
This will be at the point of a ‘birth-day’, a harvest completed in the midst of impeding judgment to befall on Earth This is likened to an ‘escape’ or catching away to the covering of the Tabernacle of YHVH in Heaven as foretold by Isaiah and John. Will this be pertaining to the coming Tribulation that constitutes the Time of Jacob’s Trouble? Why? It is because as the Bride of Christ goes up, the Bride of YHVH, that being Israel go out to the wilderness. The coming judgement are for Israel and its time of refinement. It will also encompass the world, its False Prophet and the coming False King of Israel –that being the Biblical AntiChrist. If such a time is indeed the initiation of Daniel’s last Week of Years prophecy concerning Israel, then it would be consistent in that the sign would be for Israel as that is what Israel demanded of Jesus.
Luk 2:34
And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against;
Luk 2:35
(Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also,) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.
Luk 2:36
And there was one Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Aser: she was of a great age, and had lived with an husband seven years from her virginity;
Luk 2:37
And she was a widow of about fourscore and four years, which departed not from the temple, but served God with fastings and prayers night and day.
Luk 2:38
And she coming in that instant gave thanks likewise unto the Lord, and spake of him to all them that looked for redemption in Jerusalem.
And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
WITH THE VIOLENCE IN SEATTLE YET TO BE COMPOUNDED BY Y2K, I MUST POSE A QUESTION: ARE CLINTON'S DAYS NUMBERED??? OR ARE THE DAYS OF OUR BASIC FREEDOM NUMBERED???? OR, EVEN WORSE, ARE THE DAYS OF AMERICA'S EXISTENCE NUMBERED????????
I SEE A NUMBER OF POSSIBILITIES HERE:
1. CLINTON WILL DECLARE A "NATIONAL EMERGENCY" (MARTIAL LAW), OR
2. SOME ROGUE WILL ASSASSINATE CLINTON, EITHER IN WASHINGTON, DC, WASHINGTON STATE, OR ELSEWHERE. GORE WILL THEN ASSUME POWER. THERE ARE TWO POSSIBILITIES HERE:
A. GORE WILL DECLARE A "NATIONAL EMERGENCY" HIMSELF, OR
B. LET THE SITUATION GO UNCHECKED, OR
C. ASK THE NEWLY ESTABLISHED "UN ARMY" TO INTERVENE. REMEMBER, GORE IS A GLOBALIST TO THE CORE JUST LIKE CLINTON.
ORRRRRR...
3. THE GUY UPSTAIRS MIGHT DECIDE TO END THIS AMERICAN "APPLESAUCE" ONCE AND FOR ALL. KA-POW!
PRAY FOR THE PEOPLE OF WASHINGTON STATE, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, ALL OF THE UNITED STATES. GOD'S FINAL JUDGMENT OF OUR ONCE GREAT NATION MAY BE ONLY A MATTER OF DAYS AWAY.
Post by PrisonerOfHope on Dec 29, 2016 0:09:38 GMT -5
(2 Dec 1999) "My husband's vision"
A couple of weeks ago, my husband had a vision. I, at first, dismissed it, as I thought to myself, it couldn't possibly be the truth. However after everything that is being said about only a few percent of Christians being taken as the "Bride" in the upcoming rapture, I'm beginning to think there might be something to it. This is what happened:
I was in the kitchen cooking. The children were sitting in the dining room doing different things. My husband was getting packages ready to mail. He couldn't find the mailing tape. He walked out of the dining room into the hall to get it, when suddenly he felt like he was in another dimension. He turned around and at the moment he looked at me and the kids, we disappeared right before his eyes. He knew he had been left behind. This shook him up so bad, he immediately went out on the front porch and got on his knees and cried to the Lord for mercy.
When he later came inside and told me this, I immediately dismissed it. I thought there is no way God wouldn't take me and not him. Why would He do that? That is impossible because he is my husband!
Well, I've been reading "The Open Scroll" and Elijah's website. Both talk about only 2% of Christians going in the first rapture. This is very hard for me to receive as you can understand. I don't know what else to do except to cry out to God for mercy. For the rest of you Doves, please take what I am saying and pray earnestly for your immediate family and those you love.
Post by PrisonerOfHope on Dec 29, 2016 0:20:54 GMT -5
(31 July 2002)
"WORDS I HEARD"
Upon waking up on Sunday July 28 around 7:00 - 7:15 a.m., I heard the words:
"JUST AS JONAH ON THE THIRD DAY".............."EXACTLY ONE YEAR".
The second words came about 30 secs. after the first one. Upon getting out of bed, I started wondering, what could "JUST AS JONAH ON THE THRIRD DAY" possibly mean. Before hearing these words, I could never have thought of the nine coal miners trapped 240 feet below the ground because I didn't keep up with the news. It was after I came back from church on Sunday afternoon and turned on CNN, that I realized that 9 men had been trapped for 3 days underground similar to Jonah's experience and were liberated on the self-same day(Sunday) I received the words.
I was completely stunned and couldn't believe my ears.
I do consider it prophetic because if it weren't, I wouldn't have received those words.
Now, the second words: "EXACTLY ONE YEAR", is what I haven't yet figured out as to what it might mean.
My question is: "EXACTLY ONE YEAR" from what????
Anyone out there with any tho! ughts.......
P/S: Could it be Sept. 11th?? Isaiah 21:9&16??????
Post by PrisonerOfHope on Dec 29, 2016 0:25:44 GMT -5
Here's a head-scratcher...
(30 July 2002)
"confirmation )"
Hi John...God bless; I am long time lurker........ With respect to your post on the sermon you heard yesterday and perhaps confirmation ie......"wait upon the Lord". Interesting that you thought this could be 'confirmation'. Yesterday I had the same experience. I had read Jim's post and another post re the same subject; I then watched a Christian program we have here in Canada, named People's Church. In the message the speaker was talking about an individual who thought greatly of himself and when asked to speak in a smaller church he replied: "don't ask an eagle to sit in a sparrow's nest". EAGLE was in Jim's post......'mount up as eagles" and one of the replies to that post was signed by SPARROW! To me, that seemed like a confirmation.........we will see ) mrs. gm
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Interesting. Thanks. Sounds to me we the watchers are like sparrows who will be transformed (translated) into eagles at the Rapture.
Psalm 102:7 I watch, and am as a sparrow alone upon the house top.
It seems The CHANGE (transformation, translation) shall come in the year 2002 according to the hidden prophecy in Psalm 102:
Psalm 102:26 They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed:
Post by PrisonerOfHope on Dec 29, 2016 0:29:54 GMT -5
We'll end today's nut-fest with this fail...
(30 July 2002)
"21 and Feast of Tabernacles"
John,
Are you aware that the first day of the Feast of Tabernacles this year is the 21st day of the 21st month of the 21st century. The 21st prime is 73, which is the Gematria for "life." Acts 1:9 tells of Jesus being "taken up" and it is the Greek word epairo, which has the number value of 210. Exciting stuff.
Bonnie
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Wow! Thanks Bonnie. This is incredible in light of what two (wackos) saw previously in vision/dream -- "Yeshua 21" and "Skyblue 21".
Post by PrisonerOfHope on Dec 29, 2016 23:58:06 GMT -5
More lunacy...
"Revelation 12......Is the proof in the pudding?.....grape pudding?"
Last week I posted an article about the two signs in the heavens that are described in Revelation 12.
"What is Really Going On in Revelation 12??"
I believe there is way more to the present Revelation 12 story than most have surmised.....let me share my thoughts and discernment with you concerning this topic.
Revelation 12 speaks of two signs in the heavens and what happens during each sign but when one reads about these Revelation 12 happenings from present day articles and videos all the particulars seem to blend into one scenario..... not the reality of two different scenarios.
What is portrayed by most authors or views is that there is the planet Jupiter in a retrograde motion in the sky staying in the womb of the constellation Aries for 42 weeks (a human gestation period). Then at the conclusion of these 42 weeks on the 23rd of September 2017 (on or near the Feast of Trumpets) a perfect prophetic alignment of celestial bodies around the constellation Aries will signal the birth of someone or something as per Revelation 12. And many speculate that this birthing is the rapture of the church that they believe will happen on that day.
And I agree the above scenario seems to make a lot sense..... until you take a closer look at the wording and conclude there are not one but two story lines going on here in Revelation 12........ and not one “birthing” scenario.....but two.
Let's look at each story line separately. The first “complete” story line is Revelation 12:1-2 and the second separate story line is Revelation 12:3-5. Each story line deals with a separate sign in the sky and each story line has a separate birthing and their own conclusions and circumstances.
Starting with the first story line from verses 1 and 2 we see the celestial alignment of the sun, moon, planets and stars in the constellation Aries..... and we know from the star charts that this is a once in 7000 year alignment and it happens next September on or near the Feast of Trumpets. And we know from verse 2 that a birthing happens including crying out from the labor pains of the birth.
Who or what is birthed on that day in September?
It's not the church or the rapture of it. The rapture is birthed or happens months preceding this date during the second scenario as I will explain in detail later below.
So the “what” and the “who” of the 23 September date birthing.........
What is birthed is the start of the final seven years before the millennial reign begins known as the 7 years of tribulation or Jacob's trouble.
Who arrives then.... or are prophetically birthed then....... are the two end time witnesses. As you know the Feast of Trumpets can't be started until two witnesses view the new moon on that date. Next year it appears those witnesses will be God's two end time witnesses arriving on the world stage as the “official” God sent witnesses declaring the end of the Jubilee year and the start of the tribulation. And the great labor pain reflected in verse 2 will also be reflected onto the earth by these two witnesses during their 42 month ministry or during the first half of the seven year trib period. Scripture tells us that these two (God protected) witnesses dispense much misery and suffering onto the world during their ministry.
Now.....Revelation 12:3-5..... the second separate scenario and separate story line.
What we see here is a second sign in the sky which I believe (from scripture) happens several months before the September 23 sign. This sign has something to do with a Red Dragon which many believe to be the “red” ninth planet (going by several different names) which enters or re-enters our solar system on a multi thousand year interval. It does appear that this planetary object in lurking in the constellation Aries presently. I will link a video by Scott Clark of ERF ministries below that explains this red planet and the attempts by NASA and Goggle to conceal it from the general public. (Also note that I do not agree with Scott's conclusion concerning the time of the rapture but his expose' on the red planet is very good)
In this second scenario portrayed in verses 3-5 we see what is described as a “man child” that is “caught up” or raptured up to God and His throne. In earlier generations this word man child was believed to represent Jesus rising to his Father and the throne but a more recent Hebrew word study concerning this word is now rendered it as...... Jesus' seed or Jesus' church.
So it's the church that is caught up or snatched up during this second Red Dragon sign scenario.
If this “catching away” happens before the September date, then when will that be? Let's let other scriptures help us out with the answer to that question.
Isaiah 66 speaks about the birth of this man child or in this case the catching away of the church.
In Isaiah 66:7 he says that.......”before she was in labor, she gave birth; Before her pain came she delivered a male child (man child).
We know from the first scenario that the crying out and the labor pains happen during the first great celestial sign that has been pegged for 23 September 2017.
Now it appears that Isaiah is telling us that the catching away or rapture or symbolic birthing of the church happens before the labor pains even start. That means sometime between now and next September.
Are there other areas of scripture that indicate a “catching away”or rapture that would happen in a few months (prior to September) that would seem to also validate this Isaiah prophecy? Yes
Yes.... there are two biblical stories / areas that I have personally leaned on for years that indicate a time of the year that would fit perfectly into the time frame of Isaiah for a rapture happening before the labor pains even begin in September.
Those two areas of scripture are Isaiah 18 (of which I have written much on) and The Song of Solomon. Both of these areas of scripture indicate a late spring or early summer period for the catching up or rapture of the church which to me validates Revelation 12 and Isaiah 66.
Notice also that in the second story line of verses 3-5 there is no labor or labor pains mentioned seemingly agreeing with Isaiah that a birth happened before labor and without pain.
And what I consider a funny thought..........there seemed to be much labor pain in the September scenario......why wouldn't there be......twins were born......the two witnesses.
In Isaiah 18 verses 3-6 the rapture is described and in verse 3 God describes a banner or a sign on or over the mountains just before the rapture. I have written posts to Doves on the many “banner” verses that appear in the bible. And how the bible states that the “banner” in the sky somehow is a representation or sign indicating Jesus.
Maybe in this case during the second sign spoken of in Revelation 12 concerning the Red Dragon or Planet X or Nubiru this sign or banner will represent........Jesus coming for us. Didn't He tell us in Luke to “look up” for our redemption “draws near”. Look up at what? A red scary object perhaps. And something is drawing near.....coming closer all the time. Could that be the red planet?
So I am thinking, this spring, when the world starts to see this red celestial object appear in the sky that goes by many names it will be time to get very excited. And for those who haven't repented and called on the name of the Lord for their salvation......they will surely need do so.
Scott Clark's link concerning the Red Dragon......
P.S. I am not saying.... this is the way it will be..........I'm saying this is the way I have discerned these scripture verses. And I encourage you to read them for yourselves and make up your own minds.
One more thing.....if the world powers indeed know that this red planet will arrive soon and the catastrophes that it will bring, could that explain why Trump is suddenly (now that he has been briefed) starting to go back on some of his campaign promises....the Mexican wall, and a few other things....
And could that explain why Obama has left our borders wide open and has released 1000's of prisoners and put millions of illegal immigrants on our welfare systems. As much as I totally dislike Obama and other world leaders who appear to have lost their minds by their recent actions........ could these world leaders be doing these things from a benevolent posture because of their knowing what is coming???
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In this weeks post concerning Revelation 12....... I mistakenly inserted the constellation Aries when it should have been Virgo
The great sign spoken of in verse 1 of that chapter will appear next September indicating a birthing and the second red dragon sign I believe will appear as per Isaiah 66 sometime before September most likely in the spring indicating yet another birthing.
In my post from last week I indicated that the September birthing would (in my opinion) be the arrival of the 7 year tribulation period and the arrival of the two end time witnesses. And the second spring red dragon sign / birthing would be the catching up or rapture of the church.
This week I would like to back up, reinforce or validate those thoughts with other scripture verses and to also indicate what modern day science has to say concerning this topic.
I am sure that many of you have watched the modern day scientific enactments on YouTube of what this red dragon celestial object (Nubiru, Planet X, planet 9, red cachena,etc.) is supposed to do when it arrives. According to the analysis this red colored celestial object is suppose to have two encounters with earth.....one coming at us before it orbits the sun and then we (the earth) pass through it's orbit trail after it orbits the sun and departs.
These two encounters with this celestial object (as per their scientific analysis) are supposed to be separated by approximately 150 days. In the first encounter, as this object approaches, strong gravitational pulling on our earth will cause severe earthquakes, volcanoes, tidal waves, etc.. Then approximately 150 days later after this red planet has circled the sun, the earth traverses or passes threw this red object’s heavily laden debris field and will then encounter / collide with assorted manors of asteroids and / or space rocks.
So now lets compare that scientific analysis with what scripture has to say and see if there could be an agreement or common ground between the two.
Scripture in Revelation 12 points out the great sign in the heavens that we know (from science) will appear on or near 23 September 2017. And as per verse 2..... that that event appears to be accompanied by great labor pains or in this case extreme turmoil on the earth. Would that agree or those conditions agree with the scientific view of the earth passing through the debris field of the red planet after it circles the sun? Yes
Isaiah 66 states that before these labor pains in September even begin or this great turmoil starts....... that the man child, Jesus' seed or His church is birthed or caught up or raptured. When might that be?
If we now mix the scientific with scripture and subtract 150 days from 23 September (which is the scientific period between the two events of the coming and going of the red celestial object) we get approximately April 23 as a date of the “close” arrival of this red dragon planet. Which means that it will also be a rough proximity date of the birthing of the man child or.........the rapture of the church.
This spring rapture date would agree with Isaiah 18 and the The Song of Solomon which both indicate a spring or early summer rapture. I say this because both of those areas of scripture that deal with the rapture “key in” on one particular object or event......grapes. Both of these areas of scripture indicate a rapture happening when grapes are in a particular condition.
Isaiah 18 states “the timing” this way.....”and the sour grape is ripening in the flower”....
The Song of Solomon states “the timing” this way.....”and the vines with the tender grapes give a good smell”....
So sometime after 23 April and before 23 September when the above mentioned grape conditions are met..........I expect the rapture of the church. You may be able to narrow the rapture date if you can ascertain God's grape riddles above.
Are there other areas of scripture that speak to the very same scenario that I have described above? Yes
The same “two birth” scenarios I addressed above only with specific and greater details appear in Revelation 6 and Revelation 8. The effects of red dragon / ninth planet's arrival are described in detail........ in the details of the sixth seal opening in Revelation 6:12-17.
And the effects upon earth of the red dragon / ninth planet's departure 150 days later where the earth traverses threw this celestial object's debris field are explained in detail (and in much horror) in Revelation 8.
Here in Revelation 6, during the sixth seal’s “loving intervention” by Jesus Christ.....not judgment....we see the church taken home which agrees with Isaiah 66 and Revelation 12 that the rapture happens during the arrival of this red dragon / ninth planet sign in the heavens. Is there evidence and verbiage that the rapture indeed happens there during the sixth seal period? Yes much
We see there at that time that….........a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues arrive in heaven and stand before the throne and before the Lamb...........This is the man child, Jesus' seed, Jesus' raptured church arriving in heaven just as was described in Revelation 12:5. These are the ones who come (not came) out of the great tribulation meaning that they didn't have to go through it.(Revelation 7:14)
In past posts to Doves I have written much on all the numerous aspects that I believe occur during the period (couple of months) of the sixth seal. Without going into great detail, some of these happenings during the sixth seal period or just after the arrival of the red celestial object would be............
all the physical aspects...world wide earthquake, black sun, red moon, sky detracting like a scroll, stars (angels) of heaven falling to earth, great physical upheaval....every mountain and island being moved out of their places, all manors of people hiding in caves (reinforced structures)
the great resurrection of hundreds of millions of Christians......the dead in Christ
the great resurrection and restoration of hundreds of millions of Jews, the whole house of Jacob, as is described in Ezekiel 37. Two hundred million of which God retains as His “exceedingly great” end times army (Ezekiel 37:10, Revelation 9:16) which He uses later in the tribulation period to kill a third of the planet....spoken of in Joel 2 and several other areas of scripture. This spirit filled army (Ezekiel 37:14) rides fire breaking horses (Joel 2, Revelation 9)
the selection of the 144,000 descendants / servants from the lineage of Jacob that are chosen from the great resurrection and then sealed and then become Jesus' personal entourage.
The Ezekiel 38 and 39 war with God the Father coming to Israel rescue and exposing “His Face”to Israel enemies
Some of the resurrected “dead in Christ” roaming the earth for a period of time ministering to their loved ones as was the case before Jesus himself resurrected
The combining of the dead in Christ and the alive in Christ to be caught up to meet Jesus in the clouds.
The battle in the sky between Satan's forces and Michael's forces
One more facet of this story line.......the seventh seal.
After all these many bizarre and noteworthy things that appear to happen during the sixth seal, all the seventh seal says is.........”there was silence in heaven for about a half hour”. What does that mean? As per God's timing, how much is about a half hour?
In prior posts I speculated that by the opening of the seventh seal Satan and his fallen angels would have just been ejected from heaven..... and as per scripture......wouldn't be able to accuse Jesus' followers night and day as before. So I speculated that there would then be silence in heaven......as in no accusations.
But now I am thinking that “this silence” in heaven is referring to the silence or calming of our skies, above the earth (the heavens). What I mean is, that there will be a period of time between when the first event settles down and the start of the second event or..... the period between when the red celestial object first departs and when the earth collides with it's debris field months or weeks later in September. Could this silence / calm period in God's terms be..... about half an hour? I believe so
If one plugs in God's math like.....a day is like a thousand years...... what would one come up with for a duration? I played around with the math and came up with a number of 75 (disregarding decimal points). Could it be that there will be a calm / silent period of about 75 days for the planet to catch it's breath (so to speak) between the two events??? A 75 day widow of calm enabling the Antichrist to step onto the world stage and deceitfully explain the events and also what happened to millions of people before the earth enters the debris field......I am leaning that way.
I tried to reinforce and validate last week's study of the two signs and birthings found in Revelation 12 with other areas of scripture that I believe relay the same message and I believe I did so.......hope you took interest in these connected areas of scripture and the picture that it portrays for the soon future. Am I pouring this scenario and it’s timing in concrete so to speak? No....this is my discernment and I encourage you to dive into the Word and come to your own conclusions.
I believe we all feel like we are very near now....... very near to His coming and this is what I see as the roadmap from now until next September.....with a big trumpet blowing somewhere in between.
Post by PrisonerOfHope on Dec 30, 2016 0:08:30 GMT -5
Their latest obsession is with Revelation 12. It refers to the birth of Jesus - the woman being Israel - I don't see how they're getting the rapture out of it. Then again, anything and everything is a sign of the rapture to them, and they apparently think they've come across new revelation that Bible scholars didn't notice in the last 2,000 years.
"Merry Christmas! New Revelation 12 Interpretation"
Merry Christmas! New Revelation 12 Interpretation
Luis is a gifted illustrator and has done another excellent job with “THE VIRGO MOON CYCLES - Gestation of Jupiter in ‘Womb’ of Virgo".
(13 Nov 2016)
"THE VIRGO MOON CYCLES - Gestation of Jupiter in ‘Womb’ of Virgo "
‘Before she goes into labor, she gives birth; before the pains come upon her, she delivers a son. Who has ever heard of such things? Who has ever seen things like this? Can a country be born in a day or a nation be brought forth in a moment? Yet no sooner is Zion in labor than she gives birth to her children. Do I bring to the moment of birth and not give delivery? Says YHVH. Do I close up the womb when I bring to delivery?” says your GOD. Rejoice with Jerusalem and be glad for her, all you who love her; rejoice greatly with her, all you who mourn over her. For you will nurse and be satisfied at her comforting breasts; you will drink deeply and delight in her overflowing abundance.’ –Isaiah 6:7-11
The purpose of this study is to investigate how many times the Moon passes through the constellations, specifically Virgo. Precisely how many Moon phases will occur during the astronomical ‘gestation’ period wherein Jupiter, the Planet of the Messiah is within the ‘womb’ of Virgo during the Great Sign of Virgo as depicted in the book of Revelation 12. It appears that astronomically the Moon passes through Virgo’s ‘womb’ as if to be ‘birthed’ 12 times or roughly once every month from the time Jupiter enters the ‘womb’ to when it is ‘birthed’ as the Manchild. As the Sun revolves around the ‘houses’ or station of the Mazzaroth of Zodiac, generally speaking it stays in 1 sign for approximately 30 degrees of arch or 30 x 12 = 360 degrees, etc.
The 12 constellations can also be configured in a ‘clock’ depiction that equals 12 months or a 1 year revolution. Each Sign is thus correlating to an ‘hour’ of cosmic time, prophetic time even. Out of the 12 Celestial Sign, 4 have anthropomorphic attributes. Out of the 4 main Zodiac Signs, only Virgo has a unique characteristic of being female but also a Virgin that yet ‘births’ the various celestial bodies such as the Sun and the Moon that traverse the Ecliptic. Specifically, the ‘womb’ area can be seen as a typology of a birthing and specifically to the study of Moon sequences during the ‘gestation’ period of Jupiter, the monthly convergence of the Moon in Virgo can also be seen as a menstrual cycle.
This study suggests that likewise the monthly Moon cycles occurring monthly in each of the 12 constellation alludes to, as it were a menstruation cycle. This is especially true when the Sign of Virgo is considered. This attribute is a fascinating typology of a menstruation period. The word itself comes from the root word ‘Moon’. This monthly lunar cycle of the constellation mysteriously is tied to a human woman’s menstrual cycle, on Earth as it is in the Heavenlies with Virgo in particular. This celestial time thus ‘clocks’ a Moon cycle roughly 12 phases once every month for 12 months, which equals a 144 (12x12) numerical coefficient. What is rather interesting is that 12 Moon cycles will encompass the during of the entire time to include the climax of the Great Sign.
Thus this study suggests that the ‘rapture’ that is implied of the Manchild that is snatched-up to the Throne of Heaven is not the Body or Bride of Christ but the 144,000 that were initially sealed and commissions of Israel’s 12 tribes after the Revelation chapter 4 Rapture of the Bride of Christ as typified in the Apostle John. Thus the Great Sign of Virgo is a mid-Tribulation Rapture, chronologically. Astronomically is occurring in 2017 as a focal point in time and space is it has a 3-fold fulfillment; past, present as there are 7 Raptures in Revelation. The Sign is rehearsing the typology of the Sign’s implication, prophetically. It is what has happened, is about to happen and will happen in terms of a Rapture. The chart will establish this particular timeline of Moon phases from when the Giant Gas planet Jupiter enters or ‘impregnates’ astronomically Virgo on November 20, 2017.
The planet Jupiter as a type of the Manchild is ‘birthed’ on September 9, 2017, just 13 days out from the Great Virgo Sign. What will become of this time remains to be seen as there is a growing whirlwind of speculation and conjecture on the meaning of the Virgo Sign of the book of Revelation itself and its possible prophetic implications. Will this time be and see a great ‘travailing’ occur? Of whom? Israel and/or the Body of Christ? The AntiChrist and New World Order? World War III? What will be ‘birthed on September 23, 2017 if anything at all? As far as a ‘Sign’ goes, this study suggests that the actual event is to come thereafter so the ‘Sign’ is not the actual event itself. As the Great Sign of Virgo is climaxing to the point of its astronomical alignment on September 23, 2017, this study suggests that the anthropomorphic properties suggest a ‘birthing’ of the King Planet Jupiter that the Jews refer to as Melchizedek or the ‘King of Righteousness’.
In other words, the Messiah type as ‘King of the Universe’, etc. However, could there by a duality if this aspect of rather the AntiChrist that coming to ‘birth’? The Sign is ‘Great’, as referenced by the dictation of Jesus Christ to His last living Apostle, John as a type of the Beloved or Bride of Christ. The Sun and the Moon configure a multilayered cryptic and prophetic ‘Sign’ for the Last Days. All can agree that at least the Biblical and prophetic type is thus suggested to occur astronomically the day after Rosh Hashanah on the Rabbinical Calendar on September 23, 2017. What is also fascinating to contemplate is what will be that other ‘Great Sign’ that conjoins the Virgo Sign, mainly the Giant Red Dragon?
The other ‘Great Sign’ of the Red Dragon cannot be astronomically Serpens in the constellation of Ophiuchus, which faces Virgo as that ‘serpent’ or dragon is only 1-headed and never ascribed to being more than that even in the ancient Mazzaroth depictions. It cannot be Hydra the ‘sea monster below the Ecliptic and Virgo as that is also always depicted as a 1-headed Leviathan as well. Thus could the coming ‘7-headed Red Dragon ‘Sign’ be also a sort of heavenly body in keeping with the consistency of the Sun, Moon and the Stars that adorn Virgo during the climax of the Revelation 12 Sign? This study suggests that it will be some heavenly body that could, in all actually be the speculated 7-planet Red Dwarf Nemesis? One can thus take this astronomical alignment 1 step further in the anthropomorphic attributes of the sign.
As noted, as far as the Rapture typology goes, there is clear language that a rapture does occur as depicted in the Revelation 12 Virgo Sign. However, there is much debate as to when it will occur. Will it occur at that time and whether it is of the body of Christ or that of Christ? As it is a ‘Sign’ and one that is prophetic in the Bible always appears to have a multilayer attribute for sure. For example, if one takes the book of Revelation chronologically, many believe that the initial Rapture of the Bride of Christ occurs at the ‘rapturing’ or calling-up of the Apostle John, whom is the representation corporeal of the Beloved Bride of Christ is the Rapture. In other studies, it has been shown that this initial Rapture kicks-off the 1st of 7 raptures of the book of Revelation. The point is that the Great Virgo Sign and its corresponding rapture correspond and foreshadows the future rapture of a mid-Tribulation.
Specifically, it will be perhaps the rapture of the 144,000 Hebrews and all their fruit that were marked and commissioned with the Testimony of and to Jesus Christ. This transference of the Gospel Mantle will be like that of the one transferred from Elijah to Elisha will occur once the Ambassadors -that of the Bride of Christ’s Royal Commission concludes at the end of the Church Age with the Rapture. The mid-Tribulation is also believed by many to be the point in which the AntiChrist false Messiah is revealed; perhaps after the assassination attempt and the fake resurrection. It is at that time that the Remnant of Israel flees to the hills into the wilderness of Petra. This scenario is precisely the time of ‘after the tribulation of those days’ that Christ warned Israel about and alluded by the Great Virgo Sign wherein the Manchild is born first, then a ‘travailing or tribulation occurs for Israel, not the Church.
It is believed also that at the mid-point of the Tribulation the Abomination of Desolation is set up in the 3rd Temple that Christ also spoke about in the future tense. This prophetic triple shadow is not only backward in prophetic time as it was completed in Christ but it will be casting its prophetic shadow in the future pertaining to Israel. However there are those that do not see this scenario chronologically as there are clear prophetic overlays that the Great Virgo Sign is rehearsing of a prior typology, mainly a retelling of the prophetic typology in the past of how Mary did give birth to the Messiah that is to rule with an Iron Scepter and was taken up. In the future rehearsal, it is the Virgin, Israel in this association that thus flees to the Wilderness. The Great Virgo Sign is a multilayered ‘Sign’ that is casting its shadow presently.
Presently, such a sign may actually be also associated with the true Rapture of the Bride of Christ as portrayed in the Manchild’s Rapture. The word in the Greek is the same used as a violent snatching away from danger like that of Lot in Sodom for example. The context is the climax to the Great Sign of Virgo the day after Rosh HaShanah of the Rabbinical Calendar in 2017. Technically, the astronomical ‘Sign of Virgo’ will occur on the 1st day of the Jewish Year 5778. What is rather interesting is that the 12 Moon cycles that encompasses the Jupiter ‘gestation’ period within the ‘womb’ of Virgo leading-up to the Great Sign of September 23, 2017 is that it is ‘kicked-off’ by a spectacular Supermoon.
The Supermoon of November 14, 2016 is the last one of the year and supposedly the closest to Earth so far in the 21st century. The last one occurred nearly 70 years ago on January 25, 1948 some 110 days from May 14, 1948. That date saw the ‘birth’ of Israel as a nation, a Virgin as the Virgo Sign in the Heavenlies. It was at that time coincidentally that 7 Muslim armies sought to devour the ‘Manchild’ as the enfant nation much like the 7-headed Red Dragon. Many believe this historical ‘birth’ of the modern State of Israel, although imperfect and in disbelief is the Biblical and prophetic fulfillment to the budding of the Fig Tree. This is the ‘Sign’ and typology that Jesus Christ alluded to would occur in the Last Days and the nation born in ‘1 hour’ as foretold by Isaiah. The nation was miraculously delivered as war did ensue much like it will and is depicted in Revelation 13 after the Manchild is secured.
There will be a literal celestial war as Lucifer, the Red Dragon seeks one last frontal assault into the Throne Room of YHVH in Haven and Israel on Earth. This 2nd half of the 7-year Sabbatical Cycle of Daniel is what is attributed to be specifically the Time of Jacob’s Trouble. Also realize that '9 months' from September 9, 2017 to December 23/24, 2016 coincides to the eve of Chanukah, on the Rabbinical Calendar. Many believe that Jesus Christ was conceived on a Chanukah holiday. The feast of Chanukah on the Creation Calendar is exactly 1 month earlier on November 24th which will be Thanksgiving in the American Union; very interesting. The following are the occurrences of when the Moon is ‘birthed’ out of Virgo with the 12 Moon cycle typology
2016
NOV 20 Jupiter enters ‘womb’ of Virgo
1. NOV 25 Waning Crescent
2. DEC 22 3rd Quarter and Solstice
2017
3. JAN 18 Waning Gibbous
4. FEB 15 Waning Gibbous
5. MAR 14 Full Moon
6. APR 11 Full Moon
7. MAY 08 Waxing Gibbous
8. JUN 04 Waxing Gibbous
9. JUL 01 1st Quarter
10. JUL 29 Waxing Crescent
11. AUG 25 Waxing Crescent
SEP 09 Jupiter ‘birthed’ out of Virgo ‘womb’
SEP 20 Rosh HaShanah New Year 5778
12. SEP 21 New Moon
SEP 23 Great Sign of Virgo astronomical configuration
‘Gestation’ period of Jupiter in ‘Womb’ of Virgo from November 20, 2016 – September 9, 2017
= 293 days or 9 months and 20 days or 41 weeks and 6 days
May 14, 1948 - Birth of Israel related to the Revelation 12 Great Sign of Virgo
To Supermoon November 14, 2016 = 25,021 days 68 years, 6 months
Impregnation of Jupiter in Virgo: November 20, 2016 = 25,027 days 68 years, 6 months, 6 days
Birth of Jupiter of Virgo Sign: September 09, 2017 = 25,320 days 69 years, 3 months, 26 days
Great Virgo Sign Alignment: September 23, 2017 = 25,334 days 69 years, 4 months, 9 days
One particular observation about the 12 Moon cycles or phases is that after the Supermoon, the 12 cycles begin with a Waning Crescent phase and transitions to a Full Moon to then end the ‘gestation’ period with a Waxing Crescent phase. It is an amazing tapestry of astronomical symmetry and divine clockwork. The climax occurs on the sighting of the New Moon’s thin silver sliver on Rosh HaShanah of September 20, 2017. As to the Manchild being the 'Bride' or Body of Christ, some say yes, others no, or it can't because it's 'male'.
Regardless of any misinterpretation, the Great Sign of Virgo in Revelation 12 does have a distinctive ‘rapture’ picture/typology occurring. Many would say that the Bride of Christ is always portrayed as feminine but yet it is also referred to as the Body of Christ. Point taken that the Church is never conveyed as a 'male' but prophetically it can. Is Christ Jesus a female? No. Isn't the typology of the Church feminine also yet considered the 'Body of Christ', masculine? Thus the Manchild could typify and accommodate such a sign. Consider also prophetically the example of the Apostle Paul.
Paul encountered a similar construct of prophetic ‘signs’ given to him by the risen Christ in a dream about evangelizing Asia. The actual realization of what he was given in the vision resulted in the opposite sex. In the dream and/or vision the Apostle Paul had concerning his heart’s desire to evangelize Asia, the LORD had another plan and opposite direction, Europe instead. In the vision of Paul there was a Macedonian Man that called out for Paul to ‘come over and help us’.
Yet this ‘man’ turned out to be a woman, Lydia, the seller of purple. Thus in fact the first European, and as Aeuropa, a women, turned out to be the prophetic fulfillment of the vision of the Macedonian Call. The Apostle was specifically directed to go to Greece and not Asia to preach the Gospel. However in the ‘Sign’ of the dream Paul had, it was a Macedonian Man that was calling him yet it turned out to be a woman. Thus, could the Manchild turn-out to be woman? A Church? A Virgin Bride of Christ instead to fulfill the present prophetic shadow to be realized of the Great Sign of Virgo?
Notice the time of Jupiter in the “womb of Virgo” is from November 20, 2016 through September 9, 2017. This is shown as the gestation period and is calculated as 293 days or 9 months, 20 days, or 41 weeks and 6 days. However, if one includes the day of September 9, 2017 in the day count, the time of Jupiter in the womb of Virgo comes out to be exactly 42 weeks. In the Bible, the number 42 is intimately involved with Christ’s Second Coming, both the Rapture and His triumphal return as Prince.
The actual Revelation 12 sign fulfillment in the sky as shown in Luis' illustration and various online videos won’t be till September 23, 2017. This is exactly 2 more weeks, making a total of 44 weeks inclusively from November 20, 2016. Even though September 9, 2017 appears more related to the number 42, because of the sign fulfillment of the Saints being spirited away for 1260 days as described in Revelation 12, September 23, 2017 should be considered a more likely Rapture date.
Now for the interpretation. Consider the gestation period does not begin when Jupiter first enters the womb of Virgo but not until after the Moon joins Jupiter in the womb of Virgo. From Luis’ illustration the moon enters Virgo on November 25, 2016 after Jupiter enters Virgo on November 20, 2016.
However, there is controversy whether Jupiter enters Virgo in November 2016 or December 2016. Other web sites using astronomical software as well show the constellation Virgo as not having a straight line between the stars Spica and Porrima to delineate the womb. Instead, the constellation Virgo between Spica and Pomma is shown connecting through theta Vir / tau Vir, a double star. With this as the correct constellation outline, Jupiter does not entering the womb till around December 18, 2016. That would mean gestation could not occur till the Moon again enters the constellation’s womb. From Luis’ illustration, this appears to occur on December 22, 2016. In human sexuality, fertilization occurs in a fallopian tube and then it normally takes three days for the fertilized egg to descend to the uterus/womb and attach to the wall so the baby can start developing. Add three days to December 22, 2016 and one arrives at Christmas Day, December 25th, 2016. And Chanukah as well this year begins at sunset on Christmas Eve. Merry Christmas!
It should be noted if it hasn’t already that Virgo is the 6th sign of the constellations and that Man was created on the 6th day. In addition, this Revelation 12 sign is appearing at what we believe is the end of 6,000 years after Adam was created.
And even in darkness, as is the teaching of astrology, some original light may shine through. Astrology is fixed at how the stars shown overhead 2000 years ago. Those born between August 23rd and September 22nd are said to have been born under the sign of Virgo. We have Jupiter, the King Planet, representing the King of Kings, in the constellation Virgo, being born on September 9, 2017.
For the record, counting inclusively from December 25, 2016 to September 9, 2017 is exactly 37 weeks, to September 23, 2017, exactly 39 weeks. Human gestation is normally considered as 266 days or 38 weeks.
Now since we need both Jupiter and the Moon together to start gestation in the constellation Virgo, which one represents the male sperm and which one represents the female egg? At first glance, Jupiter being the largest planet, the King planet, has been associated with the male sex. The Moon has a period of 27.3 days with respect to the constellations, such as when the moon is again in the constellation Virgo. This is very close to the average period, yes it is also called a period for the same reason, of 28 days for menses in women. With respect to the Sun’s illumination as viewed from Earth such as from full Moon to full Moon the period is 29.5 days. Also, the word menses comes from the word month, which comes from the word moon.
To help decide though, what do we know about the differences between the sperm and the egg? For one is size. The female egg is the largest human cell in the body while the male sperm is the smallest human cell in the body. The female egg is around 200 um diameter while the male sperm is around 5 um diameter. This makes the female egg around 40 times wider than the male sperm.
Let's compare this with the Moon and Jupiter. From the perspective of width for Man on earth looking up into space with 360 degrees in a circle of view, the Moon takes up 0.52 degrees. In contrast, Jupiter takes up only 0.014 degrees. This means from the perspective of Man on earth looking up into the night sky, the Moon is a little over 37 times, or rounding off, around 40 times wider than Jupiter.
However, admittedly, man’s perspective from earth is not reality. For example, the Sun does not actually go down or set each day, the Earth rotates so one side no longer sees the Sun. Jupiter is actually much larger than the Moon. Jupiter is the largest of the nightly wandering lights while the Moon is actually the smallest. Jupiter’s diameter is 88,846 miles at the equator and 83,082 miles at the poles. It rotates fast enough to where the equator gets spread wider than the poles. In contrast the Moon’s diameter is 2,159 miles. This means from the perspective of reality Jupiter is between 41.1 and 38.5 times wider than the Moon which averages out to 39.8 times wider. Or rounding off, Jupiter is around 40 times wider than the moon.
To summarize, the egg is the largest human cell in the body while the sperm is the smallest human cell. The Moon appears in the night sky as the largest object reflecting the light of the Sun while in reality Jupiter is the largest of the nightly wandering lights while the moon is the smallest. The width ratio of egg to sperm is basically 40 to 1, the width ratio of Moon to Jupiter as it appears from the earth is basically 40 to 1, and the width ratio of Jupiter to the Moon in reality is basically 40 to 1. No matter what perspective one looks at it, Jupiter and the Moon together “reflect” the egg and the sperm.
To conclude, Human gestation, counting from the beginning of a period right after menstruation is around 40 weeks in length. The Revelation 12 sign whether choosing November or December 2016 to start is also around 40 weeks in length. The number 40 in the Bible stands for trials and tribulations. Jesus Christ was tempted 40 days in the wilderness. Israel wandered 40 years in the wilderness. These next 9 months may be trying times but God is in charge just as He made all these ratios of 40. Just as He also made the ratio of the diameter of the Earth to the Moon at one tenth that at 4. Just as He made two different ratios of ten times that at 400 between the Moon and the Sun. It is an amazing thing to consider how God could make both the Sun and the Moon to appear to Man on Earth as being essentially the same size. Otherwise we couldn’t have both total solar eclipses and total lunar eclipses. The reason this works out is the Moon is 400 times closer to the Earth than the Sun while at the same time its diameter is 400 times less than the Sun.
We may have even more meanings to uncover with these dates ranging from 37 to 44 weeks. For now we can just say we truly serve an awesome God. And for reference, the book “Arithmetic of God” lists the number 37 as meaning Exaltation, 38 as Righteousness, 39 as Truth, 40 as Tribulation or Trial, 41 as Deception, 42 as Second Coming of Jesus, and 44 as Perdition. What we can be assured of in all of this, with God there are no accidents.
Post by PrisonerOfHope on Dec 30, 2016 0:13:15 GMT -5
(sigh) The parable of the virgins has nothing to do with the church - it didn't even exist yet, and the gospels were still pretty much addressed to the Jews. They keep looking for clues to something that has no clues...
"Parable of the ten virgins and Hanukkah"
Was just reading the parable of the ten virgins and it struck me that maybe it is a clue as to the timing of the rapture. It's obviously the Lord coming for His bride, but the main theme was that the wise brought enough oil in their lamps whereas the unwise were told to go buy some--then the Lord comes.
The whole reason that the festival of lights or Hanukkah is celebrated is because of the miracle of a day's worth of oil lasting eight days. The fact that the parable ties oil to the Lord coming for His bride could be a clue--hopefully so.
Post by PrisonerOfHope on Jan 1, 2017 16:49:17 GMT -5
Fresh year, fresh nuts!
"Blessings as we wait a short time more"
I hope you and your family have had a blessed Christmas.
It seems so clear to me personally that 2017 is the year that we get to go home. (They've been saying that every year.) The fall makes much sense. ("Sense" is not a word that applies to this crowd.)
We have held on since the 90's when many of us started watching intently. May this next year indeed bring us face to face with our Lord and each other!
Post by PrisonerOfHope on Jan 1, 2017 16:56:32 GMT -5
And the date-setting continues. Hanukkah is over, as of today... Here's another nut - who still thinks Obama, the laughingstock throughout the world, is the AC - listening to yet another false prophet.
"I wait for the Appointed Time"
2 thoughts came up after watching this youtube message "Your Wedding Garments Are Ready!" of Godshealer7.
1) The Lord told them "I wait for the Appointed Time. All must be as it was ordered. I keep my promises."
A question is when the Appointed Time is.
As I wrote in the previous letter, to me Hanukkah is the best candidate for the Church as the Appointed Time.
"The Human Gestation and Hanukkah"
1) According to Zola Levitte's teaching, 8 feasts including Hanukkah match with the major stages of the human gestation, and Hanukkah represents Birth.
Hanukkah is the 8th feast celebrating for 8 days.
Perhaps the 8.8 Concepcion earthquake was the sign for Hanukkah for Birth.
The 8.8 Concepcion earthquake occurred on Purim, and Esther is a "type" of the Bride.
The 6th day of Hanukkah is the new moon of Tevet, and Tevet was the month that Esther was chosen as the Queen.
And since Hanukkah is the added feast, it could be for Gentile.
2) 2 years ago on Hanukkah, there was the historic event to light Menorah with special pure olive oil which was produced for the first time since the Temple era.
2 means Separation, and it fits to the parable of ten virgins.
3) Jesus observed Hanukkah as it's written in John chapter 10, and the verses 27-29 could be a hint for the Rapture.
"My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.
My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand."
4) The first day of this coming Hanukkah happens to be Christmas.
We all know that Christmas is not the birthday of our Lord, but it's the day when the bright Star led three wise men to Bethlehem.
And the Bethlehem Star reappeared twice on July 1, 2015 and August 27, 2016 for the first time since the Birth of Jesus.
Genesis 41:32 can be applied for it, and this coming Christmas could be for the Blessed Hope.
Christmas fits to Matthew 24:38 for eating, drinking and enjoying.
Christmas last year was the full moon in 38 years, and it's possible that 1 year delay is applied as the parable of the barren fig tree.
5) According to Haggai 2:20-23, the word of the Lord came unto Haggai in the four and twentieth day of the 9th month, the day before Hanukkah saying:
"I will shake the heavens and the earth...and I will overthrow the throne of kingdoms...I will make thee as signet: for I have chosen thee."
6) Hanukkah originated from the Rededication of the Temple after the king Antiochus Epiphanes defiled it by setting the idol of Zeus in the holiest place.
1 Corinthians 3:16-17 gives a clue that Hanukkah could be the time for Dedication of the Bride who cleansed her temple.
"Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him.
For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are."
Antiochus is a "type" of AC, and Obama has a connection to the idol of Zeus in Pergamon Altar.
2) The Lord told them "You have made yourself ready. You are my jewel."
To me, it means that the Bride sanctified her temple for the Dedication.
It fits to Hanukkah which is called as "The Feast of Dedication" or "The Feast of Light".
Thus it's possible that God allows believers to sanctify their temples until Hanukkah is over, and within 7 days the Separation could happen.