Here's Your Sign!

[PrisonerOfHope]

Here's a head scratcher....

"101 is still 11. The number 11 means choas, judgment, etc. It has positive significance It's A Master no.#, It means Light & We are Children of Light not darkness. 101 also means the Holy Trinity (The "0" symbolises God because He is Eternal No Beginning or Ending) Anywhoo. What I find Very Interesting is that on The (Feast of FirstFruits) this Year on APRIL 10-11 IS THE "101th Day". There Will Be Ten Days of Great Trib in Rev 2:10. So I Added 10 Days after the Rapture And What I came up with is "111" Days. Whoah Praise God! 111 Is Also Very Significant which Also Represents The Holy Trinity too! In (Acts 1:11) The 2 Angels of God said "Men of Galilee," they said, "Why do you stand here looking into the Sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into Heaven, Will Come Back in the same way you have seen Him Go into Heaven". So, 10 Days from April 11 is April 21 Which is the New Moon Holiday also call The Day "No Man no the Hour or Day". Here's The Conclusion. His Second Coming Millenium Reign Will be on Rosh Chodesh after Armaggedon. No Date Setting Just Think God Is Revealing His Infinite Wisdom Thru His HolyDays and Moon/Lunar Calendar. Marantha!"

[PrisonerOfHope]

Oy vey....why would people dress in heaven the way people did thousands of years ago, when there were no sewing machines, dyes, or any of the technology that makes modern clothing so practical and so much fun?

"I'm sure we wear robes because I was wearing one in both the vivid dreams I had about heaven. I like to think that they are really magical robes that even when we swim, we are in, but you don't come out of the water wet, you are dry instantly. Oh, the wonder! Waiting will seem like only a moment soon!!"

[PrisonerOfHope]

Opinions are like (I'll be nice) "armpits" - everyone has one (or two), and often they stink!

"In the previous post, I mentioned about a possibility that Tim Tebow might be vanished before the Super Bowl, and it'll give a tremendous shock and impact to the Left Behind People. And this could be one of reasons why the Almighty made Tim so popular through that miraculous game.

Since the tensions are really building up rapidly in Syria and Iran right now, it's very possible that it reaches to the climax by February 5(Sun), the day of the 46th Super Bowl.

I believe the miraculous game of Tim Tebow was a very significant sign because the Almighty knew many of us were disappointed and confused as 2011 passed, so He wanted to comfort and encourage us by giving a definite hint through the game. To me, only one pass completion which let the overtime to end in 11 seconds was a clue that the Judgment could begin within one month. The game was played on Jan.8, so one month will be until Feb.8, and it fits.

Again, this is just my opinion."

[PrisonerOfHope]

Hey lady - have you ever read "Gullible's Travels?" ;D

""Thank you, Ron Reese"


I really appreciate your continuous efforts and prayers on our behalf. You don't know how much your words mean to us all. Be encouraged my dear friend. We are still one day closer. I will continue to read your words of strength and love."

[PrisonerOfHope]

When I see this woman's name, I always know the post will be a winner...

""Beware of random posters "popping" up on rapture forums "correcting" your views"


Let's be real, we all know that agencies are infiltrating Christian forums to "correct" our thinking as well as going into Facebook and Twitter. Let's be real, that they want to try to correct our thinking that Obama is not the antichrist, that the bio-chip is not the mark of the beast it is just the precursor and it is necessary to counteract terrorism.....that it is OK to take DNA samples of all citizens because it is necessary to combat fraud.

Obama is not the antichrist yet. But he will become the antichrist after the rapture. And the microchip/RFID tattoo IS the mark of the beast. The QR codes with scanning your phone and paying for things with your cell phone is the precursor to the mark.

I have been on many rapture forums and Christian forums and these people are popping up everywhere at the last minute. They are BENT on proving you wrong and telling you that Obama is not the antichrist, that he is eligible for being President, that he is a good man, that he is going to change America for the better, the rapture is a hoax, that FEMA camps are fake, that the microchip is not the mark of the beast, that the Bible is the mark of the beast, that abortion is necessary if a person is raped or the baby has deformities, that the Bible has errors and is not the inspired Word of God, that the book of Enoch is evil and stay away, that you cannot watch the signs in the Heavens because it is astrology, that signs and wonders from God is witchcraft, that gay people go to Heaven, that gay marriage is good, that gays should serve in the military, that we should reduce our carbon footprint, that global warming is real BASED on carbon emissions from people and not that every planet in our entire solar system is heating up or that we are experiencing a solar maximum, that all roads lead to Heaven, that God created the universe through evolution, to tell you that vaccines are good, that if you take the mark of the beast and take it out you can be saved (FALSE ONCE A PERSON TAKES IT EVEN IF THEY TAKE IT OUT THEY ARE CONDEMNED FOREVER), that over time Hell disintegrates and the people don't exist anymore, that Jesus is only one prophet of many, that Jesus is only the Son of God and not God Himself, that Jesus is not God and so He does not know the day and hour of His own rapture (which is CLEARLY A LIE BECAUSE HE KNOWS EVERYTHING AND THIS WAS A REFERENCE HE MADE TO JEWS ABOUT THE ANCIENT JEWISH WEDDING) and the list goes on and on.

It really doesn't matter how much the government tries to use MK Ultra mind control, electromagnetic waves, popping up on the internet to discredit me or "change" my thinking, subliminal messages in adverts, etc.at this point, it is not going to work.

These government people can believe what they want, they can sway the lukewarm, but stop trying to "convert" the faithful to Jesus Christ. Because we will hold out to the bitter end. Even through death. And seriously that isn't going to happen either because Jesus is not going to allow these creeps to get a hold of His bride."

[PrisonerOfHope]

UNFORTUNATELY, she posts several of these silly things every day...

"Hear the Word "Unfortunately" All the Time? Major NWO word!"


You can tell a NWO person by their CONSTANT use of the word Unfortunately.

Have you gone to the doctor and said I don't want a procedure and they look at you with a stone cold face and say "unfortunately, we have to have this information for our purposes." What purposes, a data collection of all humans?

Have you talked to a customer service agent for your internet, cell phone or another type of contract provider over the phone.....and you had gone into the store because your phone died and they did not make that same phone so they hooked you up with another phone....and did not explain to you they signed you up for another 2 year contract or something along those lines. Then you think your contract is ending and you get another bill and you call them up and they are telling you there is a contract. You did not sign up for one, they pushed a button at the local office that is an electronic contract. And the customer service agent on the phone says "unfortunately because our system says you are in a contract." Then you say, where is my signature of this new contract and they say "unfortunately you need to go get a copy from the local store because we do not have that information." Then you go to the local store and they say "unfortunately here is your signature" and all it is, is a copy of the receipt that you paid for for the phone. Then you call customer service and say there is no contract and they say "unfortunately because our system says there is a contract you still have to pay the $200 cancellation fee."

Have you had the skills and motivation to take a job, and then the interview goes GREAT...and then you call the hiring manager they say "unfortunately you have great skills, but instead of the skills we hired someone with more education." So I guess education in the beast system outweighs being able to actually do the job. I see.

Have you ever had an issue with your child's school such as bullying and harassment and you try to resolve it by changing teachers, or changing schools? And the powers that be say "unfortunately there is no room to make a change for your child."

Have you gone to stand in line at the airport and the TSA agent says "unfortunately, this is our procedure and we have to do the pat downs."

I find a consistency with people on the side of the beast and the New World Order. They are zombie robots who have stone cold faces, have absolutely no personality, they always refer to their set of instructions and have no abilities to make decisions for themselves. They have to be "educated" by someone else to learn anything and they only know how to follow rules. They use the word unfortunately and ALWAYS point back to the rules that they know as they regurgitate them. They put the burden on you and they sit back like they have all the power over you have to make a big stink in order to refuse, which then makes you appear "out of control" or "hostile" which in actuality they are BULLYING people.

I am not a robot and I would never want to be like these people. I have the ability to help people, show them respect and dignity. I can make a difference and say well you know, how about you make payments on that, or I will reduce that balance to remove finance charges and late fees, or how about you go through that metal detector. I like God's way better. He is good and its a good thing He doesn't want robots who regurgitate His laws. He wants the HEART to change through His Son Jesus Christ."

[PrisonerOfHope]

And here she is again....

"Refusal of Things of the Beast System"


Have you noticed an obnoxious Nazi, I can do what I want to you because I need the information attitude over people?

For example, do you go to the doctor and you are HARASSED and HARASSED why are you not getting medical procedures all the time that are not necessary, they are embarrassing, invasive and are only for the doctors information purposes? That have not been done for thousands of years and all of a sudden it is a dire emergency that it is done? And you don't want it, because you are just a type of person who does not go to the doctor except for big things. Do you go to the airport and they INSIST that they touch your private parts and then go through the naked body scanner? Does the school where your child goes INSIST that they watch at a very young age about sexual reproduction? Does the school want information on your political views, your religion, and personal beliefs? Are you tired of getting questionnaires to fill out all the time for services that you want for marketing companies? They want to know your income, religion, political party, age, race, etc. Have you had to have surgery and your doctor wants to put the surgery online to show the procedure and you have no clothes on? And they INSIST that it is for training and educational purposes? And they want to put the procedure pictures with an article in their education article?

Well I am! This is the beast system, that you are no longer your own person and they OWN you. They can do whatever they want with your body, your image and there is no privacy. If you want to fly you must SUBMIT. If you want the doctor to handle your issue, you must SUBMIT to all their ORDERS.

Let me tell you something, I don't submit. And I get ANGRY and I walk out. This one doctor today told me I had to submit to two procedures and I looked straight at this person and said I WON'T. They argued and argued with me and I gave them a stone cold look and said unfortunately, there is nothing you can do to make me do that. Make a note in my charts of this refusal, or I will leave and you can decline being my doctor. With the TSA, I tell them they have to kill me first before I submit. If they have a problem with me, just come to my house and kill me. Because I will not submit if I do not want to do something. I am not going to a prison camp, I am not going to court to pay a fine for not submitting to the TSA, and I won't be scanned or touched. Bottomline, they can just shoot me.

I am done with this world! Come Lord Jesus and give us freedom from this tyranny!

This is the mentality that the tribulation saints NEED in order to refuse the mark of the beast!

[PrisonerOfHope]

"Do people getting these weird incoming signals on their phones and videos realize that when they are speaking of "alien invasions," what they are really talking about is totally demonic? I know that Jonathan Kleck does because his prior videos bring all this out. There is something spooky about electricity anyway. Electrical wires HANG on TREES (poles), many of which are shaped like a cross. Cursed is he that hangs on a tree..."

[PrisonerOfHope]

Repeat after me; DATE SETTING DOES NOT WORK AND IS AN ABOMINATION!

""Additional Thoughts about The 46th Super Bowl"



There is a possibility that the 46th Super Bowl might not be held this year.
I remember someone heard from the Lord during the Super Bowl season
last year "This will be the last Super Bowl America will enjoy." (don't
remember exact word) Of course there is no way to know it was really
from the Lord.

Calvin thinks Feb.11 is a good possibility too, since 2 Kings 2:11 is a verse
of "Elijah Taken Up to Heaven."

So, another possible scenario is that a catastrophe or Sudden Destruction
occurs just prior of the Super Bowl (or on the SB day), then the Departure
follows on Feb.11.

I don't think the Almighty intervened the Bronco's game only to promote
"John 3:16" and "Tim Tebow". Definitely there were hidden clues for the
Bride, and they're the overtime, one pass completion and 11 seconds.
The overtime represents "the extra time" which is allowed as the New Year
rolls in after "Time's Up" in 2011. One pass completion represents "one month".
11 seconds represents "the Judgment" as well as "the 11th day". Putting them
together, it could mean that the Judgment begins within one month from Jan.8,
and the Departure follows on Feb.11.

On Feb.11 last year, the Egyptian people were freed from the dictator, Mubarak,
and this incident could be a parallel that the Israelites were freed from Pharaoh
and 1 year warning. Jonathan heard from the Lord on Jan.6 "Behold I am at
the door, be ready like the Israelites to leave at Any Moment." It seems puzzles
fit together."

[shann0]

Unfortunately.... I think you is just a teensy bit crazy!


I don't think God plans his timing around a football game.. hahahaha

[PrisonerOfHope]

Here she is again. Actually, I feel sorry for her poor kid...

"Ok my son had a dream. My son was with me as I was driving my car over a bridge. And there was an 18 wheeler that was behind us. And all of a sudden something happened, like sudden destruction or an earthquake or something. And the bridge came apart and the 18 wheeler fell with the bridge into the ground way below, the driver fell to his death.

And then my son said that our car went off the bridge, but we were going up in a bubble. It was a contraption that was very high tech and we were safely inside we were going to travel at a fast speed. But the transition of moving from the car to the bubble, to Paradise was an instant that I had no idea what just happened. In the dream the Lord allowed my son to experience it slowly so he could get his hands around what is going to happen to us.

My son said him and I were looking around in Paradise and wondering where we were. And we were talking that it looked very much like Paradise. Then God and Jesus were sitting at a table with the elders and they asked us to come join them. They were eating very tasty foods and wanted us to try foods we never tried before.

And then I was really confused because you know when you get older, you question everything? You know some people are questioning the sounds coming that are the birth of the tribulation, alien interception, dreams, signs and confirmations and in the back of the mind trying to minimize it that it is nothing. And trying to debunk it? Well this is sad, because I said to the Lord in my son's dream "are we in a dream? Are we just in the hospital and nearing death and they are trying to revive us from a bad car accident?" And then God proclaimed "NO! WE ARE IN PARADISE, AND WE HAVE MUCH TO TALK ABOUT, MUCH TO TALK ABOUT."

Lol, wow! Guys, our jobs will only begin when we are raptured. We have some SERIOUS plans coming for us soon. Keep the faith, this world is about to fade away. Because there are some major things that God is preparing us for in eternity. Things you don't even comprehend. I am ready for this. I am so excited I think I am going to do a rapture dance now! :-)

Guys, make sure you have your "golden ticket" of salvation and that you have prepared yourself like "Charlie" did as he passed all the tests in Mr. Wonka's factory. After completing all the tests in this life and consecrating yourself to the Lord, losing everything with no rapture, you may feel VERY ANGRY like Charlie and his grandpa. But HA HA there is a rapture and it comes right after the disappointment! "

[PrisonerOfHope]

Amazing....THEY NEVER LEARN! The date setting continues....

"

"Watcher of life" of RITA pointed out that the 46th Super Bowl is 40 days from
the last day of Hanukkah which was Dec.28, 2011. 40 represents test, trial and
probation. Many of us were so sure that last Hanukkah was for the Blessed Hope,
so "40 days delay" from it makes sense to me. It fits to the overtime of the
miraculous game too.

Feb.5/6 happens to be the full moon. Remember a prophetic word John Lawler
received that there will be a huge explosion in the top of its phase?

According to Calvin, 2/11 is the 42nd day of year 2012. 42 represents 1st and
2nd Advent.

Many signs indicate that the Judgment could begin on Feb.5/6 and the Departure
could follow on Feb.11."

[PrisonerOfHope]

More inanity!

II II "I"ndianapolis "I"ndiana? Double witness? The II II Super Bowl?

How many MAJOR cities in America (much less hosting the
Super Bowl) have initials "II" as in "I"ndianapolis "I"ndiana?

ALL I know is when I had my dream of II II's, I couldn't move for
it seemed like 30 minutes. It was so overpowering!!! I was not
used to something like that being given to me.

And the "news" coming from loudspeakers (in my II II dream at
end of "link" / post below) spoke of a MAJOR DISASTER!!! My
brother, a stranger and I HAD TO RUN TO THE TV TO FIND OUT!!!

We had been throwing the football for some time when, all of
a sudden, we looked up and saw an endless double columned
formation of some type of planes which I didn't recognize.

I wonder if my sense of "running to the TV" means that a LOT
will be watching (Super Bowl)?

Whether or not we are "FACING THE END" on Sunday, the U.S.
is "FACING THE END" of itself (see below).

"The Harbinger" Jonathan Cahn interview (911~The End of America!?)

Pat was speaking to a brilliant Jew who, "fittingly", was bringing
this to him and us. Interesting that this interview was put onto
YouTube on 1/29 or "7" days prior to the "II II Super Bowl".


Response #1:

",
I hadn't thought of that before, but could the 11s I've been seeing for the last 2 years have been pointing to the Super Bowl in Indianapolis, Indiana? I'm not sure. I had really thought that the 11s meant that the rapture would happen in 2011, but that wasn't the case. I still see the 11s quite often though. Good post brother!"

OP:

"THANKS!!!

It is HARD to emphasize just HOW VERY "MOVED" I
was by my Spring, 1998 Dream. It was sooo very
real and NOT like other dreams. When we heard that
announcement from across the bayou, it was VEEERY
MAJOR SOMETHING WAS WRONG / SOMETHING HAD
OCCURRED but we couldn't discern the words.

Another "piece" fell into place this morning and I posted
it in the dreams section"

[PrisonerOfHope]

And here's the "gospel" according to Willie Wonka....

(This is in response to the woman who posted abut WW earlier.)

Loved your post that includes the link to the ending of Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory original movie.



I think you are the first person I have come across who has also seen as I have in this movie the likeness of our salvation/rapture situation. I wrote a letter to my daughter about this and I would love to share it:

(I sent her the original movie DVD and this letter with it. This also became chapter 14 of my manuscript.)



Chapter 14



A Letter to My Daughter





Dear Kelley, ...



...I’m guessing that you may have seen the new Charlie and the Chocolate Factory movie.? (I know you liked Johnny Depp after the Pirates of the Caribbean movie…) Although he is quite a different character in this of course. (I always admire actors that can play a wide variety of roles instead of the same kind always.) I had a feeling it would be different from the original. It is and it left out some of what I think makes the first one so very good. I don’t know whether you would have seen this earlier version that came out in 1971. It’s rather primitive looking by comparison but overall I really like it a lot.

In the special features on the DVD they tell about how they came to make the movie. They differed from the book in certain areas. (I’ve not read the book but I probably should. Maybe the new one is more like the book, I don’t know.) Anyway, there is an ingredient in this first one (that’s not in the new one) that makes it very significant. The whole thing works like an allegory. That is, a story that illustrates something bigger than itself.

Think of the chocolate factory as representing the kingdom of heaven.



Matthew 18:1 At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?

2. And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,

3. And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

4. Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.



The chocolate factory is both mysterious and closed to the people with no hope of getting in until the owner makes a way. The reason it was closed in the first place was due to corruption from within that had to be shut out…but that’s getting ahead…

Willy Wonka of course represents God. Slugworth represents either the devil or possibly the word of God or maybe the Holy Spirit or maybe elements of all those. I’ll explain that later….

The invitation goes out to the whole world but out of everyone only five children will be chosen. In one scene, a boy announces to Charlie’s class at school that Willy Wonka is opening his factory to the public. The teacher shouts “class dismissed”. Then the boy says it’s only for five kids and the teacher says class not dismissed. The boy says you have to buy Wonka bars and the teacher says class redismissed… (In the Bible, five is the number of grace which means “unmerited favor” so that suggests that only by grace can we get into heaven, not by earning a way in…) But everyone who will come in by grace can get in.

I love the way Charlie says that even though he’s poor and can’t afford to buy a whole bunch of the candy bars, five of which contain the golden tickets, yet he says, “I have as good a chance as everyone else, don’t I?” It’s also interesting though subtle that, that Slugworth character happens to be right where each child is when they find a golden ticket as if to suggest that either he knew in advance who would find one or else those individuals were selected on purpose in a way….

At some point inside the factory, each child is given a very special piece of candy called an “Everlasting Gobstopper”. This is a piece of candy that never gets smaller as you eat it so it lasts forever. They are warned by Wonka to guard it with their life and don’t give it to anyone else.



Proverbs 4:23 Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life.

Slugworth wants one of these pieces of candy so he can discover its secret and steal it. He promises each of the children that if they will give it to him he will make them rich.

Think of this as each of our own lives or eternal souls. God gave us our lives. Satan wants us to turn our lives over to him in one way or another. To serve our own self interests rather than submit to God’s will for us. But we decide…



Matt. 16:23 Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

24. Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

25. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

26. For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?



You don’t find out until the end of the movie that the whole reason for inviting the children into the factory is to find a child to give it all to. (I’m sorry if I’m spoiling the ending for you but I’m assuming that you have already seen the new one by now so you sort of know how it ends anyway.) The way that Willy Wonka goes about making his selection is to test these children with that piece of candy. To see what the child will do with it. Just like God is doing with us.

Charlie ends up being the last one left after each child is eliminated by some form of disobedience or failing to heed a warning that they were given. Even Charlie is guilty of disobeying because he and his grandfather went and tried some of the “Fizzy Lifting Drinks” that they were warned not to. They barely escape the fan blades that might have chopped them up. (None of this is in the new movie.) They discovered in the nick of time that by burping they would descend back down to safety.

Even this I think is a way of showing that pride is what gets us into trouble and causes us to be lifted up in going our own way. By letting their “hot air” of pride out they sort of “humbled themselves” and were saved.



Proverbs 2:2. When pride cometh, then cometh shame: but with the lowly is wisdom.

Proverbs 16:18. Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.

19. Better it is to be of an humble spirit with the lowly, than to divide the spoil with the proud.

20. He that handleth a matter wisely shall find good: and whoso trusteth in the Lord, happy is he.

Proverbs 29:23 A man's pride shall bring him low: but honour shall uphold the humble in spirit.



1 John 2:15-17. Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

16. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

17. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.



Once the other children are gone and only Charlie and his grandfather are left Willy Wonka abruptly declares the tour over and begins to dismiss them and they are told to leave as he has other important work to do. They ask about the generous supply of chocolate that Charlie was supposed to receive and are told that because they disobeyed, they have forfeited all rewards and benefits including that chocolate etc.

At this the grandfather becomes furious and calls Willy Wonka a crook and an evil man for building up the hope of a little boy only to dash it like this. He exclaims “I’ll get even if it’s the last thing I do and if Slugworth wants an Everlasting Gobstopper, he’ll get one.”

Charlie could easily have gone along with his Grandfather. Many people would. But his heart was in a different place. He very sadly and slowly approaches the desk where Wonka has his back to him as if writing something and places the piece of candy on the corner of it and turns to go out. Back to his hum-drum life of poverty and nothingness.

Then Willy goes to pick up the piece of candy as he whispers, “So shines a good deed in a dark and weary world.” He then joyously explains to Charlie that he has won. That the whole experience was a test. That he wanted to give his chocolate factory to someone but it had to be a child because an adult would corrupt it because they think they know how to do it better. But a child will be willing to learn from you and carry on with what you teach them. In the same way God wants us to learn to trust him and he will then be able to trust us with all things.



Psalm 34:8. O taste and see that the Lord is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him.

Isaiah 49:23 I am the Lord: for they shall not be ashamed that wait for me.

Psalm 37:34. Wait on the Lord, and keep his way, and he shall exalt thee to inherit the land: when the wicked are cut off, thou shalt see it.

Isaiah 40:31. But they that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.

Acts 16:29. Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas,

30. And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

31. And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.



There’s a wonderful moment early in the film where in class the teacher is teaching something and he has Charlie helping. He says that if the student were to try and teach the teacher that would be presumptuous and rude. That’s exactly how God feels when we try to tell Him how we think things ought to go… Yet so much of our world is doing exactly that.

Some time ago I gave you a video that covers some of the dangers of Harry Potter among other things. I don’t know if you have watched it or not. Maybe when you’re ready you will. It’s called “The Occult In Your Living Room.” It’s by a former Satanist who got saved out of all that by the power of Jesus Christ which is the only way to be saved from it. Basically witchcraft is an attempt to make yourself equal with God. Doing your own thing your own way. (One of the most evil men who ever lived was Aliester Crowley. He lived many years ago but his influence is still felt in today’s world. His creed which is adopted by many of today’s biggest music and film stars was, “Do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.” Which became “Do your own thing” in the 60s.) That’s all rebellion from God is really. That’s why there can be no such thing as a “good or white witch”.



1 Samuel 15:22-23. And Samuel said, Hath the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the Lord? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.

23. For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the Lord, he hath also rejected thee from being king.



Also you don’t actually have to become a witch to be just like one at a heart level. To rebel against God in any way is to believe that there is something better for us than what God has for us.

Just like Charlie and his grandfather would be doing if they were to go to Slugworth with that piece of candy supposing to be made rich rather than to put up with what they perceived to be a mean unfair person like Wonka (God).

But when Charlie gave that piece of candy back he was proving that he could be trusted with the whole chocolate factory. So Willy Wonka knew that he had found an honest, trustworthy boy. One who would let Willy Wonka teach him instead of trying always to exert his own will into everything. That is what God is looking for in every one of us today in this world.



Luke 12:42 And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household…

43. Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.

44. Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath.

Luke 16:10 He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in much.

11. If therefore ye have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will commit to your trust the true riches?

12. And if ye have not been faithful in that which is another man's, who shall give you that which is your own?

13. No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.



I hope you can see all this in the movie as I do but it might be confusing for you I don’t know. Basically God is looking for people that he can trust with his whole kingdom. To find us he has given us each an eternal soul, our lives in this world (like the everlasting gobstopper). We can do whatever we want to with our lives once we reach adulthood. I’m oversimplifying this but this is basically how it is. Satan, like Slugworth entices people to sell their soul to him. For whatever earthly pursuits they can find down here. (I know about this from first hand experience. I had to make a choice beginning when I was about your age. That’s another story…) The wisest choice we can possibly make is to give our life back to God. Allow him to be Lord over us and get to know him. Because his purpose for us is so very good. It’s not a popular choice and the reward is not only in this life but in eternity. That’s why it takes faith. No one can choose for another you must choose for yourself. Even though others can influence us just like Charlie’s grandfather. But Charlie made his own choice.

Okay, I said I would explain about who Slugworth represents. The reason I could not say simply that he is the devil is because at the end Willy Wonka introduces him as a Mr. Wilkinson and says he’s not really Slugworth but he actually works for me, Willy Wonka. He was part of the test. I found the name Mr. Wilkinson to be a very curious choice for his name. Because when I was growing up there was a razor blade company that I don’t know if it still exists or not… But they were called Wilkinson Razor blades. Your mom will probably remember… Well, I remember hearing from my dad that that same company was actually very old. And that before they started making razor blades, they were in the business of making swords. Their logo was two swords crossed or something. But when swords no longer were used in everyday life by people they needed something else to make so they started making razor blades instead.

Well the Bible says that the word of God is like a sword that can discern where we line up with God in our hearts.

Ephesians 6:17. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

Hebrews 4:12. For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

13. Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.

So this Mr. Wilkinson is almost like calling him “Mr. Sword” in a way. This also explains why there is so much suffering in the world. Because God allows Satan to exist and get to us in order for us to have a choice. Sadly, many people don’t choose to love God and Satan becomes influential in their life. Like the one little girl that had her fingers crossed behind her back while promising to guard the piece of candy…



Matthew 12:30. He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

John 3:16. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

19. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

20. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

Something else that Linda, my girlfriend noticed about Slugworth is in the name… Have you heard how a round piece of metal that looks like a coin about the size and shape of a nickel or quarter but is just nothing of any value is called a slug? So the value of what this character is offering is nothing if you fall for it. Worth the same as a slug instead of a real coin…

And one more thing I remember is how Willy Wonka says “We have so much time and so little to do…No strike that, reverse it…” It occurred to me that when we get to heaven, or at least for the millenium (1,000 year reign of Christ on Earth…



Revelation 20:

1. And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3. And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4. And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.)



That will be how things are for us then. But for now they are reversed, meaning we have so much to do and so little time. But then we will have a lot of time and not too much to have to do except things we like to do.

Finally, when they get into the “Wonkavator” which is the elevator that goes anywhere, and it goes up through the ceiling, way up in the air… That to me is a symbol of the rapture. Which is something I don’t know if you’ve ever heard of or not. I don’t have time to go into it here because it’s rather involved and this is already too long… But in a nutshell it’s the promise of Jesus to come back and take his believers to be with him in heaven in a moment in a twinkling of an eye… And those who are dead in Christ will rise from the graves and the ones who are alive at the time will be changed and caught up into heaven without ever having to die. I believe that we are living in the day when this event could happen. Which is why I’m telling you about this. The false religions of the “New Age Movement” have already prepared an explanation for the event when it happens to tell the world. The Bible tells the truth.

1 Corinthians 15:49. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

50. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

51. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52. In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

54. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

55. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?



Isaiah 26:19. Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

20. Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.

21For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.



Revelation 3:7. And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;

8. I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.

9. Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

10. Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

11. Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

12. Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

13. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.



The movie ends with Willy saying to Charlie “You know what happened to the boy who got everything he always wanted?” Charlie says “What?” “He lived hapilly ever after…” And that’s what happens to us who are in Christ which happens when you ask him to forgive your sins and come into you. We get to live happily ever after. Eternal life! In heaven with God.

[PrisonerOfHope]

These fools are STILL setting dates! Don't they EVER learn? (I guess not...this dude seems to think he has an "excellent spirit." )

"Feast of Purim in Perpetuity"


Dear Brother,
Thank you for the great site. This is my first post. I am friends with Reese/mathman/gerry almond. Here goes...

FEAST OF PURIM IN PERPETUITY by Grateful1



Greetings, and my first post for fivedoves. It proposes March 7/8 or the Feast of Purim in Esther chapter 9 as a WATCH DATE, and a continuation of the January 28 reasoning.



The seven feasts of the LORD as codified in Leviticus 23 are clearly God's appointed feasts for both the nation of Israel and the revelation of its King, Jesus Christ. That Jesus fulfilled these spring feasts to the very day and within the very allusionary framework (blood of the lamb, etc.) is all too clear. That additional day counts (a.k.a. Pentecost = 50 days, etc) are by God's design and command is also without argument. It stands to reason that the promised 2nd coming of Jesus will be fulfilled within the time frame of the fall feasts. Many see a clear correlation between the feast of blowing trumpets and the rapture of the bride. This would be my first guess and is the subject of my three part sermon entitled, “The real date of the Rapture and Return”. Available free online at www.biblenation.org.



However, . . .



That such evidence is before us in the Scripture and is so often foreboded or connected with astronomical signs affecting the very creation with quakes, weather, etc should be a flashing neon billboard to us that God knows the day of the rapture, and that we should be “looking for his appearing”. The great collaboration of watchers on the internet goes hand in hand with the great configuration of last time events happening right before our eyes. Our correlation of feasts, day counts, astro observances, geo political events, natural catastrophe, N.W.O. Luciferian personalities, and other prophetic sensibilities crescendo in such a way as to make us swallow hard with the awesome and fearful realization that surely “He is at the door.”



What about now?



For most of us, this is a welcome arrival. We “love His appearing”, and pray “Come, Quickly, Lord Jesus.” Our necessary speculations and prognostications then, are easily understandable . . .even if a perceived date to watch is wrong! Love covers a multitude of error. Like star crossed lovers, we ache when each date goes by without a meeting in the sky. But, beloved, that is what worship, and church, and the brethren are for. The “assembling of ourselves together” is practice for the great rapture day, and is a temporary remedy from God for our disappointment of yet unfulfilled promises. Our anticipation builds, and how worth while is the building of such desire! Each date is connected to the previous one and too the ultimate one, keeping us ready, adorning us in white, keeping us awake! What can be more exhilarating than watching for HIM!?



Connected to Trumpets...hmmm.



Rosh Hashanna 2011 looked so promising! Ron Reese's reference to Haggai's Cheshvan 24/Dec. 20/Hanukah (by the way, that is yet another Biblical feast) connection continued to keep my eyes wide with hope. The Jan. 28th search seemed sensible to me, and with Gerry Almond's day counts from Rosh Hashanna 2011, I was wowed and intrigued. Add to that, Mathman's keen insights regarding the 28th/The Alfalfa club/Davos Elite along with the seriousness of the the days following, what more can be said? The LORD is progressively revealing “that day” to us through insight into the scriptures, and watchfulness through a multitude of counselors. There is more evidence than ever pointing to the soon coming rapture of the bride along with the sudden destruction of tribulation. There is no time to be cynical or aloof or discouraged. We must continue to watch with even greater intensity.



Feast of Purim..March 7/8.



And Now we turn to YET ANOTHER FEAST. The feast of PURIM. It is 40 days from Jan. 28th, and therefore still, in connection with Rosh Hashanna 2011. This feast was progressively revealed and separate from the Leviticus feasts, but SCRIPTURAL nonetheless. You all know the story from the book of Esther. Mordecai, the Jew, and Esther's uncle. Haman, the Agagite, counselor to the Persian King. A wide rule of 127 nations from India to Ethiopia. The Gallows built. Lots (PURIM) cast to determine the date for the final solution of the Jews. Adar 13th. The trap was set. Sudden destruction and Tribulation was inevitable. Esther confronts Haman, and appeals to the King. “For such a time as this.” The Rapture allusions are very evident and manifold. The parallels with today's political realities are mind boggling, in fact, impossible just months ago. With the scepter in Esther's hand and the Kings signet on Mordecai's finger, an impregnated decree is made on Sivan 23 (also the date of John the Baptists conception – look it up:). Adar 13, the day of destruction is reversed to become a day of deliverance, and Adar 14/15 becomes a day of celebration in perpetuity (that means observed until this very day!). It is not just a footnote in history anymore than Passover, Pentecost or Trumpets are just history, but they are all profound PROPHECY!



What other prophecy can the feast of PURIM be but of a miraculous day of deliverance for the bride of the king?



Another watch date is before us...MARCH 7/8. There are now Scriptures to rightly divide, Numbers to crunch, and stars to watch. Israel and Netanyahu know these dates and these scriptures well. Get to it Doves! Let us collaborate and watch together!



Daniel 6:3,

Serving Christ with an Excellent Spirit,

Grateful1

Kudos to Rreese, Galmond, and mathman. Blessings to you all.

[PrisonerOfHope]

We're to watch EVERY DAY, you dingbat!

"Next High Rapture Watch Date!"



To all fellow believers in Christ,

I have some very exciting and encouraging information that I want to share with everyone regarding the next possible "High Rapture Watch Date". I'm not a numbers person, haven't received any dreams or visions regarding this possible date, it just happened to come to my mind last week. I've been debating to post it hear, but it just keeps coming to my mind, and I prayed about it and I feel confident and encouraged by the Holy Spirit to share this with you as He leads.

I'm also not hear to guarantee that this is the "Date" or anything like that, but I will give you some scriptures and events that are leading up to this date or around it, that could possibly signal our soon departure! And I'm not hear to debate whether we are in the tribulation or not or that their is some kind of delay (120 days, 21 days, etc.), or not, our God has set the day and hour in motion at the beginning of time, the Day will come whether we are ready or not, so please no replies on debating these issues, as I'm hear to just share whats on my heart when it comes to the rapture. And I'm not hear to debate who or who isn't going in the rapture, but I will say this, "JUST BE READY!!"

Anyway let me get right into what is tugging at my spirit as I begin to give more clues on when we might be going home. There have been debates on whether is could be in the spring or fall but from what I've recently have learned is that there is a higher probability of a "spring time", than a "fall time" rapture, as you will soon see the events that are soon leading up to this early spring.

Now let me give you some scriptures that indicate that this could very happen during this early spring. And I will highlight the words that jumped out at me as I was reading them.

Deuteronomy 11:13-14, "If you will only heed his every commandment that I am commanding you today - loving the Lord your God, and serving him with all your heart and with all your soul - then he will give the rain for your land in it season (we will know the season), the early rain (spring rapture) and the later rain (fall), and you will gather in your grain, your wine and your oil (Holy Spirit).

Jeremiah 5:24, "They do not say in their hearts (lukewarm, spiritually asleep), "Let us fear the Lord our God, who give the rain in its season (we will know the season), the autumn rain and the spring rain (rapture), and keeps for us the weeks appointed for the harvest (fullness of the Gentiles)."

Hosea 6:2-3, "After two days he will revive us; on the third day he will raise us up, that we may live before him. Let us know (we will know the season), let us press on to know the Lord (staying spiritually await); his appearing is as sure as the dawn; he will come to us like the showers (rapture), like the spring rains (rapture) that water the earth."

James 5:7-8, "Be patient, therefore, beloved, until the coming of the Lord. The farmer (watchmen on the wall). waits for the precious crop from the earth, being patient with it until it receives the early (spring rapture) and the late (fall) rains. You also must be patient. Strengthen your hearts, for the coming of the Lord is near."

Are you guys seeing what I am seeing??? There seems to be some kind of connection hear and the clues given in these scriptures seems to make sense and I hope they make sense to you as well. As you read and re-read these scriptures you can see that just as a farmer is getting his crop ready before the rain we are getting ready for our King, as a bride is getting ready for the the bridegroom before the rain falls. And guess what happens before the rain falls? The clouds gather and then the rain falls, well isn't our Lord coming back on the clouds of glory like it says in the first chapter of Acts?? Think about it!

Now as for the events leading up to a possible spring rapture and why I believe we must be gone before the next fall, here is what I found online, I won't go into details or provide links, if you want more info on what I'm sharing just Google it. I don't want this to be a long drawn out teaching, I just want to get to the meat of why I believe in a spring time rapture this year!

1. Israel is preparing to attack Hizballah, Hamas and other terrorists sometime this spring before they have fully re-located all missles and rockets to sites deep inland.

2. Leon Panneta says that Israel will attack Iran sometime early spring.

3. Possible Greece default on March 20th, 1st day of spring.

4. Possible 9+ earthquake, and possible tsunami, due to the earth axis shifting 5+ inches, and possible marshall law is enforced.

5. UN, EU, Jordan, Quartet, pushing for a peace treaty between PA and Israel like never before. 5 meetings in this Jan. already!!

6. UN possible resolution to oust president Assad and Russian may not veto could occur any moment causing Assad to retaliate and attack Israel.

Now I've listed 6 major important events coming up and the last two I listed could happen any moment now, so we may not even be here when spring arrives, and I've fine with that the sooner the better! Also as I'm listed the above events soon occur or occur any moment keep in mind things could change anytime, this is just a guide to indicate where things are going prophetically.

One more thing I would like to add about the definition of the word spring means and WOW!! Check out the meaning the dictionary listed below:

Spring - To leap; to jump; to shoot up, or forth; to appear; to recoil; to result, as from a cause; to issue, as from parent or ancestor; to appear above ground; to grow; to thrive; to cause to spring up; to produce unexpectedly; to start, as game; to cause to explode, as a mine; to develop leak; to bend so as to weaken; to release, as to catch a trap; a leap; a bound; a jump; recoil.

So there you have it for my case for a possible spring time rapture and no I'm not hear to guarantee that it will happen, as I have said before and hey, it may happen as I write this letter. Possible high rapture date listed below:　

MARCH 20TH, 2012 - HIGH RAPTURE DATE
(1ST DAY OF SPRING and FALLS ON A TUESDAY)


God bless and keep looking up!

[PrisonerOfHope]

OK, the BIG question is, did he have any "prophetic" dreams after eating the leftover pizza at bedtime?

While In Pizza Place It Hit Me- The Six Trumpet Is A Date-To-Date Calculation- Key Puzzle Piece!!


Thanks to brother Luis Vega and his latest "The Event" chart which you can find on his website I now think we can see when the start and middle of the tribulation will begin!!!

First let me explain how I came up with this key puzzle piece which is a crucial time marker for figuring out when the tribulation starts and where the middle section begins!!

I was at a local Pizza place getting a lunch for a reasonable price on their pizza buffet and while I seated at a table I was looking over the latest Luis Vega chart which is entitled "The Event" which I still haven't studied thoroughly enough to see what events he is putting together; but I did notice that he was using some interesting time calculations such as 12 years, 2 months, 2 days for some of his date-to-date calculations!

This automatically reminded of the Date and Time website where some of us have gone to for a quick calculation from one calendar date to the next calendar date!! It is easier then having to count the days by hand!!

Ok as I was looking at the way these calculations are written out--it hit me!! I know where I have seen that same calculation read out before-in the book of Revelation under the sixth trumpet judgment!

In the past I always had trouble figuring out what to do with the sixth trumpet judgment calculation of 1 year, 1 month, 1 day, and 1 hour mentioned under this sixth trumpet judgment!

I had the idea all along that these four angels who were bound up at the Euraphrates River over in Iraq were to be released in the future and that they would cause warfare for 1 year, 1 month, 1 day, and 1 hour! In other words the duration of this sixth trumpet judgment would last for some 13 months(1 year, 1 month-1 day/ ihour)!

But now I see it differently!! It is not talking about the duration of this sixth trumpet judgment at all! What it is revealing is the time calculation that these four angel have been bound from letting loose there warfare; they have been like four horses at the race track, waiting for the gun to fire so they can start the run down the track!

Here is the missing piece that we need to understand!! How long have these four angels been waiting impatiently at the river Eurphates! Notice I didn't say how long have they been bound! They could have been bound for many centuries! The context is refering to a shorter time period that they are being held back which started when?

The Holding back started with the introduction of the Seven Trumpet Judgments in revelation 8!! Just as the angel in heaven is getting ready to release the wrath of God on the earth below he begins his Day of Atonement ceremony on the golden altar up in heaven and then begins the releasing of the seven trumpet judgments!

So what we have here under the sixth trumpet judgment is a date calculation from the start of the seven trumpet judgments until the time of the six trumpet judgment where the releasing of these four angels on the Eurphrates River in Iraq is then able to be completed!!

In other words, it will be a calculated time period of 1 year, 1 month, 1 day, and 1 hour from the start of the seven trumpet judgments in Revelation 8 to the sixth trumpet judgment in Revelation 9!!

In even more other words--from the start of the tribulation period on possibly the next Day of Atonement (September 25, 2012?) to the sixth trumpet judgment there will be a time period of 1 year, 1 mont, 1 day, 1 hour!!

If you consider when the two witnesses end their ministry after 1,260 days! Which will also begin on this next possible Day of Atonement feast- then it will be pretty simple to calculate when might the tribulation begin and where the mid-point might end at the time of Firstfruits!

There are more calculations that can be figured by using this new sixth trumpet judgment number(1 year, 1 month, 1 day, 1 hour)!.

By looking at the 5th trumpet judgment before this sixth trumpet plague we find that the 5th trumpet judgment comes 5 months before this sixth trumpet judgment!

That means we start the tribulation period on a Day of Atonement and the two witnesses begin on that date and you go forwards 1,260 days to find where their ministery ends-Firstfruits!

But to find out when the sixth trumpet judgment begins you calculation from the Day of Atonement + 1 year, 1 month, 1 day, 1 hour To find when the sixth trumpet judgment begins!

To find when the 5th trumpet judgment begins you start at the Day of Atonement and count 1 year, 1 month, 1 day, 1 hour= sixth trumpet judgment begins(Rev. 9); Then count backwards at this point 5 months to find when the 5th trumpet judgment begins!!!

Like I said I just found out about this scriptural calculation! Now I must see if we can find other possible calculations by using this number 1 year, 1 month, 1 day, 1 hour; and the 5 months, and the 1, 260 days to determines other tribulation time markers!

If the Lord did not want us to calculate these numbers He surely could have left them out and just used other terms instead!!!

You will have to understand that I have not figured out how long this sixth trumpet judgment will last except if you start at this sixth trumpet calculation point and take it to the remainder of the two witnesses 1,260 day end of minisry date on a firstfruits feast! Then you might be able to figure out how long this 6th trumpet judgment is!!

It is easy to find out how long the seventh trumpet judgment is using revelation 11 and 12! If the two witnesses die at the end of this 1,260 day ministry on a firstfruits feast; then the seventh trumpet judgemt begins and will last for 5 months and it will go until September 2015; where in Revelation 12 you have that sign in the heavens at the time of the Feast of Trumpets; but this time the planet Mercury will be birthed in Virgo and will suddenly move away toward Leo-this is another sign that you can see a chart of by Luis Vega with the Revelation 12 Sign!!!!

www.sonoma.edu/users/v/vegalu/eschatology_files/Event.pdf

[PrisonerOfHope]

Where on earth is this nonsense in the Bible? And as far as the Heaven is For Real book, if you think it's worthwhile reading, please read the commentary on it by Dave Hunt in the book review forum - it's spiritual JUNK.

"I read the wonderful testimony of little Colton Burpo who visited Heaven during a near death experience - his father is a Pastor - Todd Burpo. One of the things Colton saw was the future battle of armageddon and it came up in conversation when he was only about 5 years old when his Dad jokingly told him there wouldn't be swords in Heaven (Colton likes to play with swords - warrior games). He said "there are too swords in Heaven Daddy"!! His parents have been very careful not to lead him so his Dad cautiously asked him "what makes you think that" and Colton answered "because I saw you fighting Dad - it was a big fight between Jesus and lots of His people and you were fighting alongside him and your weapon was a bow and arrow but other people had swords". Colton is now almost 13 years old and it came to me - or the Holy Spirit dropped it in my mind that he had ONLY seen his Dad fighting - not himself. This suggests to me that he will not be old enough to fight at the Battle of Armageddon which he aptly described.
We are so very close!!!!!
On a personal note - I would highly recommend this book - Heaven is for real by Todd Burpo (Colton's Father) - it spoke to my spirit in a huge way - my spirit was leaping for joy - at times I wept - at other times I laughed and it was totally unputdownable!! I believe it's authenticity 100% whereas books like Choo Thomas - Heaven is so real - haven't grabbed me at all. The innocence of a child who visited heaven - when he was only 4 years old."

[PrisonerOfHope]

Here's our favorite poster. Please pray for her - this poor woman has some serious problems:


"I have a couple of questions that I have not gotten answers to, which I may not need the answers to. But some things the Lord does not reveal to me. I am not a prophet, but only a person who has been given a task as a watchman for the rapture. And so I am not a preacher, I am not a teacher, I am not ordained, I am not an expert. I am a person who has only a relationship with my Savior and I have visions and dreams and once in a while a visitation from the Lord. And I do not believe that if I was living in normal times that this gift would be upon me, but I believe this gift is for all believers who are called to watch for this period of time in history.


But here are my questions.

1) Many believers are having visions of the Lord Jesus Christ wearing a different colored sash around His waist. Some see green, some see brown, etc. And the weird thing is that when a believer had a vision of wearing a certain colored belt, I had a dream I was picking out the same colored dress to wear for a wedding, very lovely dress. So does anyone know what each color means and what the Lord is telling us through the change of His sash?

2) We all know that a person who takes the mark of the beast is condemned forever. And we know that at the rapture, the dead in Christ will rise first, then those who are living and remain who are born again will be raptured. And none of us have taken the mark of the beast. In the rapture, the saints who are dead will enter their graves and resurrect with their bodies and transform, and we then will transform while in our body. But something is REALLY troubling me. The people who are martyred during the tribulation who refuse the mark of the beast will be beheaded. And some people have seen that the devil and his "aliens" who enforce the mark will get a "kick" out of putting the mark into the decapitated body after the death. Now my question is, what happens for these people in Heaven? I know that we all have to wait until is it during or after the millennium to get our glorified bodies? But here will be a group of people who did not reunite and transform with their physical bodies. Are these the people who are under God's throne and could it be the reason that they are the ones whose physical body was defiled and cannot be transformed? Anyone do a study on this? Will they look a little different than the rest of the saints in Heaven for a while? Will this be a testimony for them in Heaven so everyone can differentiate between the tribulation martyrs and the rest of us?"

[PrisonerOfHope]

Don't these foolish people EVER learn? Here, from the same site on the same day, are different new rapture dates:

First up, False Prophet Marilyn Agee:

""Ascension Day Rapture?"

From: Marilyn Agee
Re: Ascension Day Rapture?

The more I think about what this angel said, the more I think Ascension Day, Thursday, May 17, 2012, has the best chance of being the day of our Rapture. The number 17 means VICTORY, and someone said the Rapture would be on Thursday.

Tom Tanner (23 Jan 2012) "Reply, Ola Ilori, the "EASTER AND THE FIRSTFRUIT
> > In this vision the Angel and I was walking and came upon a hill.
I looked at the hill and there was some graves in it, they started opening up and people were coming out of them.
I asked the Angel what is this?
He said “it’s the dead in Christ being resurrected, just as God said they would be".
I then saw people floating upward out of their cars and houses but I was not going with them”
I said when will this happen?
He replied “first fruits”
I said Easter?
He said “Yes, it will happen on first fruits just as promised!”

As “promised” – when was that? It looks like this promise must be understood because it was acted out for us. Some saints did come out of their graves on Firstfruits.

Mat_27:52 says, “And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose”.

Ecc_1:9 says, “The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.”

Joh_5:28 says, “Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice”.

1Th 4:16,17 says, ”For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. “


If not the living, but the dead in Christ are to rise up on Firstfruits, the living wise-virgin saints should rise up on Ascension Day. Why? because Jesus played it out for us.

Of Ascension Day, Acts 1:11 says, “ Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven. “

This coming of Jesus does not seem to be the Second Advent. At that time, he will be riding a white horse, and we will be following him.

This coming on Ascension Day seems to be at the time of the First-Trump Rapture. Jesus will come in the air. The wise virgins will rise up, meet the dead in Christ in the clouds, and go on together to meet Christ in the air.

I expect to meet Ed in the clouds, then stay with him for the rest of the events that will take place. When married, we became one flesh. My dream of walking with him to a huge building in Heaven where we were served food will probably come true.

2Th 2:3,4 says, “ Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day (i.e., the Day of the Lord, the Day of God;s Wrath) shall not come, except there come a falling away (i.e., a DEPARTURE, the First-Trump Rapture) FIRST, and that man of sin be revealed (i.e., after the Rapture), the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, (Mid-Trib) shewing himself that he is God.”

Ten days after Jesus ascended, the Holy Spirit descended and indwelt the disciples, empowering them to spread the gospel to the world. It looks like the Holy Spirit will descend again on Pentecost, Sunday, May 27, 2012, to empower the foolish virgins to spread the gospel to the world. The number saved during the Tribulation will be so great that no one can number them (Rev 7:9,14).

Agape,
Marilyn"

#2

"A Date to Watch - 14 May 2014 - Second Passover"

Before getting to the crux of this letter I would like to thank Luis Vega for the outstanding diagram: The Last Decade: Mathematics of the Solar/Lunar Eclipses 2010 to 2020, and Five Doves for posting the letter from Luis Vega providing a link to this great resource. By seeing the timeline overview, dates for solar/lunar eclipses and Jewish festival dates all in one place, my mind was drawn to the first lunar eclipse in 2014. Vega’s diagram link is:

www.sonoma.edu/users/v/vegalu/eschatology_files/decade.pdf

The coming tetrad of lunar eclipses

The total lunar eclipse on 14/15 April 2014 is the first in the tetrad of lunar eclipses in 2014 and 2015. This total eclipse should be a spectacular sight: the Moon will be well within the Earth's shadow and should be deeply (blood red) coloured by the Earth's atmosphere. A total lunar eclipse occurs when the Moon goes through the long shadow cast by the Earth and is blocked from the sunlight that illuminates it. When four consecutive lunar eclipses are all total eclipses, the group is known as a tetrad.

Lunar eclipse - 14/15 April 2014

On 10/11 December 2011 there was a spectacular total lunar eclipse. Previously there had been total lunar eclipses on 15 June 2011 and 21 December 2010. Looking to the next few years, there are two amazing lunar eclipse facts: first, the next total lunar eclipse will not be until 14/15 April 2014, and secondly, after this 31/2 year gap there will be four total lunar eclipses (a tetrad) in 1/12 years! How amazing! The importance of these tetrad eclipse sequences, especially the strong links to major events for Israel, has been well covered by many letters from Doves.

Second Passover on Israel’s Birth Date - 14/15 May 2014

What is of interest is that the 14/15 April 2014 total eclipse could herald a major event for Israel near or soon after the Second Passover on 14/15 May 2014 - just as Israel celebrates its 66th year as a nation - and is entering its 67th year! And between 10 December 2011 and 15 April 2014 (inclusive) there are 888 days! Three weeks after that first lunar eclipse the 47th anniversary of the liberation of Jerusalem (on 7 June 1967) would be celebrated. Note that while the previous tetrads around 1949 to 1950 and 1967 to 1968 took place on Jewish holidays, as does the 2014 and 2015 tetrad, the historical events may not coincide exactly. For example, the first total lunar eclipse in 1967 was on 24 April - around 44 days before the Jerusalem liberation on 7 June.

What event could the eclipse herald? The seventh day of the six day war?

(At evening time, behold, terror! before the morning, they are not! Isaiah 17: 14 – the Damascus chapter)

I have included some information on the Second Passover below, but would like to move to the important question: what event could this eclipse herald? The 66th year is somewhat of a giveaway, with the Goliath like taunt in Psalm 83:4 ‘Come, and let us wipe them out as a nation; let the name of Israel be in remembrance no more.’ God’s response is in verses 9 to 18, including: Let them be put shame and dismayed forever...that they may know that You are the Most High over all the earth.

Isaiah 17 (Damascus) and Psalm 83 (100 combined) may be prophesying the same war/event, a war against Israel’s immediate neighbours with Damascus in Syria as the core of terrorism! In Isaiah 17:1 we read: Damascus will cease to be a city and will become a heap of ruins. Despite the current events in Syria, the world is facing a greater threat from Iran (the focus of Isaiah 13). War with Iran is likely to come before Psalm 83/Isaiah 17 and would reshape many countries, possibly unifying the Islamic threat to Israel’s existence. Israel may be blamed for the Iran war and be like David facing a new Goliath - threatened with extinction (and many countries may hold back their support from Israel!). Psalm 83 finishes with a mighty victory for Israel - this is well covered in the Isralestine book (Bill Salus – , and many other Five Doves letters. The victory could strengthen Israel’s hand and facilitate, among other things, a new exodus back to Israel from throughout the world (Isaiah 11:11 And in that day the Lord will lift up His hand a second time to recover the remnant of His people which is left)

More of Isaiah 17: 12-14 (edited) Hark, the uproar of a multitude of peoples! They roar and thunder like the noise of the seas! Ah, the roar of nations! The nations will rush and roar...but [God] will rebuke them, and they will flee far off and will be chased like chaff on the mountains. At evening time, behold, terror! And before the morning, they [the terrorizing Assyrians] are not. This is the portion of those who strip us [the Jews] of what belongs to us.

What is the Second Passover? Numbers 9: 5-13 (excerpts below)

The Second Passover is, put simply, a second opportunity to celebrtae the same Passover event. From chabad.org (see link below) A year after the Exodus, G-d instructed the people of Israel to bring the Passover offering on the afternoon of the fourteenth of Nissan, as they had done on the previous year just before they left Egypt. Some were defiled and not able to prepare the Passover offering on that day. G-d established the 14th of Iyar as a "Second Passover" (Pesach Sheini) for these persons - the day thus represents the "second chance" achieved by teshuvah, the power of repentance and "return."

www.chabad.org/calendar/holidays_cdo/aid/1126695/jewish/2012-Holidays.htm

5And they kept the Passover on the fourteenth day of the first month in the evening in the Wilderness of Sinai...6And there were certain men who were defiled by touching the dead body of a man, so they could not keep the Passover on that day; and they came before Moses and Aaron on that day. 7Those men said to [Moses], We are defiled by touching the dead body. Why are we prevented from offering the Lord's offering

8And Moses said to them, Stand still, and I will hear what the Lord will command concerning you. 10Say to the Israelites, If any man of you or of your posterity shall be unclean by reason of touching a dead body or is far off on a journey, still he shall keep the Passover to the Lord. 11On the fourteenth day of the second month in the evening."

#3

"Did the DOW drop on Sept 29, 2008, (777.68 points) the afternoon before Rosh Hashanah started, POINT TO THE RAPTURE ON Rosh Hashanah, Sept 16, 2012?"


Be sure to read my first post today.....

The following came to me at church this morning, Sunday......

OK>........Did the DOW drop on Sept 29, 2008, of 777.68 points, the afternoon BEFORE Rosh Hahshanah started that year,...

POINT TO THE RAPTURE ON SEPT 16, 2012........POSSIBLY AT SUNSET, JERUSALEMN TIME??

Here is my previous post about de-ciphering the code for the DOW drop on Sept 29, 2008.......
(re-posted various times, over the past 3 years..)
www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2011/randy1210.htm Posted on Dec 10, 2011)

Quoting the end of that post again....
"So, DID GOD Answer my question about THE date of the Rapture, HIDDEN in the DOW DROP of 777.68 on (of all dates) Rosh Hashanah 2008???
(Has God "told" anyone yet the date....? Not that can be proven yet.....)

One way or another.....I'll tell you that at the end of Sept next year!!!! (2012) smile...lol.....

No matter what..I think 2012 (the next 9 months) are going to be quite chaotic and ABnormal...... considering the ISRAEL/IRAN strike that is being talked about happening any time in the next 30 days....or, in my opinion, the next 7-8 months.

Plus the continued economic MESS in Europe and the US...PLUS the political mess in Europe....the HORRIBLE political leadership going on the the United States..... PLUS PLUS PLUS PLUS......"

End quote.....

My Conclusion today, Sunday, Feb 6, 2012:
1) I think 2012 is a critical year for Israel, going after Iran
2) I think 2012, up to Rosh Hashanah, Sept 16 2012....is a critical year. Could the Rapture happen on Sept 16, 2012?? Could it be before then??
As we get nearer to Sept 16, 2012.....and the events of Israel vs Iran actually happen (?) .......I'm going ALL IN on Sept 16 as the day of the Rapture.......IF,

1) The DOW drop on Rosh Hashanah 2008 was as meaningful as many of us thought back then. (I mean, it could have been ANY OTHER BIG NUMBER drop that day.....and it wouldn't have meant a THING to any of us!! Let alone, to be 777........and then the .68 HEY, if the 777 was important, then so was the .68! yes? )
and
2) IF I really have been given the FORMULA by God, to decipher the DOW drop of 777.68 points on Rosh Hashanah, 2008. (I had struggled with what those numbers could have meant for MONTHS after it happened!)

TICK TOCK???
THIS YEAR?
THIS Rosh Hashanah?
SEPT 16, 2012.......possibly at sunset in Jerusalem???

Let us hope.....and let us pray for the Peace of Jerusalem at this time..


ONE MORE TIME WITH FEELING:

Mark 13:32 -

"But of that day and [that] hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father."

They insist on trying to prove the Bible is wrong, and they know better than the Word of God. Pathetic!

[PrisonerOfHope]

This poor thing is totally delusional....


"One Chevy Commerical for the Superbowl Mocks Two of My Dreams"


OK so you can't tell me that mockers and government people, reporters and media people are not combing through Christian websites. Because this commercial is mocking. The Lord is not going to allow much more of this mocking.

Check out this Chevy Commercial, see the "twinkies" and then the ancient plagues of Egypt "the frogs falling out of the sky."



Now see my dreams: www.fivedoves.com/letters/jan2012/nicole13-1.htm
May 9th, 2011 dream - the same dragon in the grocery store is the SAME DRAGON my son saw in the crop circle....it was the dragon who came to save the day in the grocery stores from a severe famine, but the catch was that people had to have the mark of the beast to get the food!!!! After this scene I was shown that these people would be left behind. And a famine came to the land so severe it was horrible. The antichrist forced the famine through various technologies in order to bring in a need for him. And I saw the grocery stores. I was walking in my spirit in a grocery store and I saw that it was a mess, it looked like at some point it had been looted and it had earthquake damage or something of that sort. The store was being cleaned by employees because the food was coming in and people were starting to get happy. However, the food coming in had a catch. I saw the bottom of the floors open up and big rats came out of the ground, even they were starving. I saw people walking over rats in the grocery stores. The rats were trying to eat food that people left on the floor and I saw one eating from a box of Twinkies, it was gross! All of a sudden I saw this weird looking dog come up to me. And I felt a cold shiver go down my spine, I knew I needed to get rid of this dog. I tried to get rid of it by throwing it a devil's food cake and it ate it. The dog looked so adorable, so cute but it seemed really creepy. After it ate the cake, it turned into a small, yet adorable baby dragon. And everyone thought the dragon was so cute, that it should go home with them.


December 6th I posted a dream that I had the night before and the same man that was in the video of the crop circles, WAS THE SAME MAN FROM THIS DREAM! When I saw the writings on the ground in Jerusalem, originally I assumed these were from my dream. But the man, I saw him in my dream.: Last night I saw the tribulation. I was outside and there were people who were celebrating the year 2012 and they were doing it in a very, very pagan way. I saw they were celebrating Nefertiti and I was shown after this celebration, that judgement was coming 3 1/2 years later with the Great Tribulation. I saw the ground literally flip over and a huge circular stone emerged with ancient Egyptian writing. No one understood the hieroglyphs, but there was one man from a University that could read it with ease. He was summoned and when he looked at it, his jaw dropped. He screamed, the ancient plagues of Egypt, the Revelation! And then I saw these baby angels come to the saints and pat their faces and they received the seal of God. And with that I saw BILLIONS of fleas [correction: I meant flies] everywhere. They were going in people's noses, ears, down their throats, they were gagging. Then I saw these huge fireballs trying to hit everyone and they were running. Some people were repenting and saying I am sorry as they were dodging the fireballs left and right. They were so terrified."


I don't wanna sound mean or anything, but I can resist...this is from another post of hers:

"If you ever met me you would think I am the biggest valley girl airhead in the world! :-) "

[PrisonerOfHope]

Absolutely astonishing. In the OT, if false prophets got something wrong ONCE, they were stoned to death. These people follow false prophets even after they've been wrong time and time again for many years....

"Re Marilyn Agee ascension day rapture( Ron Reese mid trib?)"


That sounds plausible to me and this is only my opinion. Tom tanner said easter, I looked it up and it is april 8 2012. The thing that hath been shall be,Jesus arose after 3 days. Midnight to midnight that would be april 11 2012. The date Ron Reese came to for mid trib. This stood out to me only because I had a dream of the rapture months ago and when I woke up the clock said 411 I assumed it meaning he just gave me some information or april 11 I'm still not sure. Like I said its an idea and seemed to fit, to me.

[PrisonerOfHope]

Huh?




Man from the East - Obama?

Calling a ravenous bird from the East - the man (Cyrus) who executes my

counsel from a far country (Isaiah 46: 11 Amplified)

The aim of this letter is to examine whether there is an end-time fulfilment of Isaiah 46:11: calling a ravenous bird from the East. It is clear from the Word of God, and history more generally, that the primary fulfilment of this prophecy was in King CyrUS the Persian (mainly Iran today). But is there another imminent fulfilment? The context, in verse 10, says: ‘Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done.’ Quite clearly, the prophecy indicates at least the possibility of something in our time - the time of the end. Below is my attempt to highlight this, but other Doves would do this much better.

Latitude and Longitude - Obama from the East?

Could this be prophetic of Barak Obama who almost uniquely could simultaneously be the man from the East and the President of the United States - the one who executes God’s counsel from a far country. Putting the controversy about Obama’s birth certificate to one side and concentrating on his formative years, Barack Obama’s main place of upbringing was Oahu in Honolulu, Hawaii. Now the next step requires some latitude and longitude information on Honolulu, Jerusalem and mainland United States. The coordinates are as follows:

JerUSAlem: 31 degrees North and 35 degrees East

Honolulu: 21 degrees North and 158 degrees West

Cape Alava (Washington State): 125 degrees West (Westernmost point of mainland United States - except for remote parts of Alaska and islands off Cape Alava).

Now it is clear that almost all of mainland United States is west of Jerusalem - since the westernmost point (Cape Alava) is 160 degrees west of Jerusalem (less than half of the 360 degrees around the world), other regions in the United States are even more so west of Jerusalem. What about Honolulu? Honolulu is east of Jerusalem - around 167 degrees east of Jerusalem (less than half the 360 degrees around the world). Furthermore, while the latitude of Honolulu (21 degrees North) is not exactly east of Jerusalem (31 degrees North), it is reasonably close.

The man from Hawaii

Hawaii is the newest and 50th State of the United States, having joined on 21 August 1959. In many ways from more ‘ancient times’ the likelihood of a quite distant island becoming part of the United States would have seemed unlikely (even the United States as a nation was not known about at the time of the prophets!). But in the end of time, if there is a secondary fulfilment of Isaiah 46:11, Obama from Hawaii could, against the odds be both the man from the East and current President of the United States. Like Cyrus of old, the Almighty God uses people to do His counsel who may not be spiritually close to God.

Construction and population growth in Jerusalem/Judah (Isaiah 44: 26-28)

‘Who says of Jerusalem, She shall (again] be inhabited, and of the cities of Judah, They shall be built, and I will raise up their ruins, 27Who says to the deep, Be dry, and I will dry up your rivers, 28Who says of Cyrus, even saying of Jerusalem, She shall [again] be built, and of the temple, Your foundation shall [again] be laid.

It is incredulous that in our time many countries across the world express their views about limited construction projects and new houses in Israel!. These and other countries, including in the Middle East, have huge construction projects themselves and these attract very little attention. So, it is also quite amazing that Isaiah 44 prophesies about a time, possibly near the end, of major construction projects in Israel. This would be necessary to allow the remnant to return to Israel. Isaiah 44 is quite specific and highlights the following construction activities:

· Jerusalem: rebuilding and inhabitation (population growth), with Israel casting off, at least for a time, the international restrictions on construction activity.

· Cities of Judah: raising up the ruins of Judah cities, possibly including restoring damage from war and terror.

· The temple: laying of the foundation of the temple, with the full rebuilding of the temple in the first part of Daniel’s 70th week.

When could this happen? Israel’s war with its neighbours (Psalm 83: 14, 15)?

‘As fire consumes the forest, and as the flame sets the mountains ablaze, 15So pursue and afflict them with Your tempest and terrify them with Your tornado or hurricane.

The Amplified Bible (first copyrighted in 1954) translates Psalm 83, verse 15 as terrifying them with Your judgment - tornado or hurricane. How unlikely is this link from the United States to the imminent war in Psalm 83? These weather events (tornadoes and hurricanes) are mainly associated with the unique geography of the United States, although tornados are now more widely reported in other countries as occurring as part of a storm/stormy wind. Nevertheless, a judgment on the United States could happen at around the same time as Psalm 83, especially if the United States supports dividing up the land of Israel/Jerusalem. There is a hint of judgment (drought) even in Isaiah 44:27 - I will dry up your rivers.

What could this mean for Israel and the United States?

An (astonishing) Israeli victory (Psalm 83/Isaiah 17) could open the doors for Israel to shake off the shackles holding back construction and development and build up (natural) Zion for the Return of the King! Obama could stand up in apparent support for Israel, but his underlying motives may be more of world domination. Israel is God’s clock, and the church is on a parallel road of restoration - we should expect the Rapture at any time, regardless of events that may yet be in the headlights for Israel, the United States and the world. The role of the United States in the end time remains somewhat veiled, and the man from the East may address a little of this mystery.

Whether the man from the East is a forerunner of the Antichrist, or the beast himself, is for me an unanswered question (I tend to view Europe/Middle East as the home of Antichrist). The following summary of the man from the East prophecy highlights some interesting aspects:

· Obama from Hawaii qualifies as from the East (longitude)

· Close to the Jerusalem latitude

· Ravenous bird: Obama is the first African American President

· Obama is the 44th President (Isaiah 44) prophesies about construction in Judah, Jerusalem and laying the foundation for the temple

· The super bowl was the 46th (Isaiah 46 speaks of the man from the East) - New York Giants, from the East, won with an Eli as the most valued player)

· The man who executes God’s counsel from a far country - could also refer to the United Nations with its current headquarters in New York.

· The following chapter (Isaiah 47) is addressed to the virgin daughter of Babylon, and many consider this to prophesy of judgment on the United States.

· Only since 1959, when Hawaii became part of the United States, could this man from the East prophecy be fulfilled.

My apologies for this quite long letter - hope it helps some Doves. There are some other aspects of this and I hope to follow up this letter.

Maranatha!

[PrisonerOfHope]

They're STILL looking for signs, trying to figure out dates....anything but listen to the Word of God:

"Could the 21 day of February be a significant day? It is the only day in the whole year that lands on a NEW MOON/TUESDAY/and the 21st. day of the month.
Another amazing thing ...When you count back 10 DAYS you arrive at
the 12th.day of February...12-21(mirror numbers).Sounds like Rev.2:10."

[PrisonerOfHope]

The pride of some of these people is incredible...

"Ultimately time will answer this question for us. Nevertheless, I feel it important to give again an answer to the position given by Gary Stearman in the video posted by Nando. www.fivedoves.com/letters/feb2012/nando23-1.htm

Firstly why does Mr. Stearman react negatively to the rapture being referred to as an escape when Jesus Himself referred to it this way?

Luke 21:
35. For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
36. Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

I sure want to escape!

But that aside, he then uses 1 Corinthians 15 to suggest that all the church will go at once when the rapture happens. This is the very scripture that tells us that not all go at the same time because it says that all will go in their own order or rank according to the firstfruit type in the Old Testament.

There were three firstfruit offerings not just one as though Christ was the complete fulfillment of that when He rose and ascended. He was the first part as well as those who came out of the graves after His resurrection and ascended with Him. They were the first handful of ripened grain or firstfruit of the harvest. The next firstfruit offering is the first two loaves of bread from that harvest and this will be the rapture that we are waiting for. But there is yet one more firstfruit offering that must come at the end and that is the gleanings in the field that were at the corners of the field and that grain which fell back to earth when the reapers were reaping. The reapers were not to harvest the corners at all nor pick up those that fell back down to earth but leave them to the stranger and poor as gleanings. This is what Paul was referring to in saying that we will all be saved but each in his own order or "togma" (rank as in marching in a parade) in the Greek.

1 Corinthians 15:
20. But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
21. For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24. Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

Here is where it gets confusing because when Paul says "then cometh the end" he is not talking about the end of the age which is what Stearman suggested, (although Paul does mention that parenthetically because the end of the age is when this will occur) but his subject is these firstfruit offerings and the order that they are harvested in. So "then cometh the end" is the end or last firstfruit offering in a series of firstfruit offerings. The picture Paul is using is that of a military style parade in which each rank "togma" is strictly asigned. The first rank was Jesus but included that handful of believers whom He raised to ascend with Him when He ascended and gave gifts unto men. The second tagma or rank in the parade is the two loaves firstfruit which will be our rapture when it happens but there is still one rank left, so "then cometh the end" refers to the end of the parade or the last rank in the parade, not the end of the age, that is not his subject. The gleanings in the field which are the tribulation saints who will come out of the tribulation are saved also, but in their order just as the other two firstfruit ranks were in theirs.

The reason this is so important now is because anyone who is reading this right now (assuming the rapture has not yet occurred when you are reading this) if you currently are in the rank of "gleaning" you may still upgrade to that of "loaf of bread" status which is "they that are Christ's at His coming". If you are not Christ's at His coming but have remained at the corners of the field or have fallen back to the earth when the reapers were reaping (I didn't write the example or use it to describe these events so don't get mad at me for pointing out that this is simply what Paul is referring to here) then you can still become one of Christ's but do it right now. It is so much better to be one of Christ's at His coming than to wait and be a gleaning that must go into the tribulation. Gleanings are numbered to the strangers and poor as in Laodicean - I never knew you types. He didn't say I never met you but I never knew you because you didn't spend any of your time getting to know me. These types may even be in the ministry because Jesus said that they will immediately begin to appeal to Him by listing all the good works they have performed and so they thought they would be raptured but He answers back that He doesn't know them. It's not what you do it's does He know you because you have made Him top priority in you getting to know Him whom to know is life eternal not whom to have met. Lot's of people met Jesus when He was on earth but they did not follow Him or make Him priority. He is a person not a historical figure but is here now wanting to spend time with you. Will you let Him? Do I let Him in my life every day? Will you submit to His will for your life or do you want to deny that any such is even necessary? You said the sinner's prayer, that is enough? Obviously for the thief on the cross it was enough. I believe the thief on the cross was most likely in that first togma group that Jesus raised with Him and took to heaven. Paul is teaching that the resurrection/rapture will happen just as outlined in the Old Testament example of how a field was to be harvested using the firstfruit pattern because that is how we will be harvested into heaven.

Gary Stearman does accurately point out that once the church is removed then God goes back to dealing with Israel. But anyone who was not fully in the two loaves rapture will lose their status of being in the church and then God will deal with everyone as He did before the church was here which Jesus refers to as removing your candlestick out of his place:

Revelation 2:
5. Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

Many have argued that the church cannot be divided. That one part cannot be raptured without another part. That whatever happens to one part happens to all the parts. Can you then explain why Jesus would divide the whole church up into 7 parts and speak to them as different groups with different issues and different rewards for overcoming those issues and different consequences for not overcoming different challenges? There is the church history thing, I know but even in our day these differences are still here. I can tell you that someone who grew up in a Catholic upbringing will have a different arena of approach to Jesus than someone like me who grew up Protestant. Someone living in a country where persecution is a reality such as in a Muslim country will have a different life and way of getting to Jesus than we who grow up in the US.

As the letter said that Mr. Stearman read, I to wish it were true that everyone who has ever said the sinner's prayer would be for sure raptured but I do not see this in scripture but a stern warning to us to make our calling (nomination) and election sure for many are called (nominated, or enter the race) but few are chosen (win the prize).

If this view is wrong and we all get raptured at once you can tweak my halo when we get there and snap it against my head if you want to and I'll admit I was wrong but if this view is correct and you have not made yourself one of Christ's at His coming, at least you should know what went wrong."

(This fool knows it all....but not that halos come from Catholic religious art and represent the sun god.)