The Dreams & Visions in Joel 2 are NOT for the Church Age
Apr 10, 2018 14:13:44 GMT -5
Post by PrisonerOfHope on Apr 10, 2018 14:13:44 GMT -5
It's too bad the wingnuts at the wacky end times boards don't know this - they just go on and on and on, thinking they're hearing from God, but that voice and those dreams and visions are either from their own imaginations or from someone else entirely.... 
THE PROPHECIES MENTIONED IN JOEL 2 ABOUT ‘DREAMS AND VISIONS’ BEING POURED OUT IS NOT FOR CHRISTIANS IN THE CHURCH AGE
Hopefully, if you know how to rightly divide your Bible, you can see why it is simply not possible to take the Second Coming prophecies of Joel 2 and 3 and try to place them on the Church. Joel's prophecies can only come true in the Kingdom Age, Christians are not given signs, wonders, dreams and vision. We have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, access to the Throne of Grace, a completed Bible, and the command to 'walk by faith'. Jewish believers had none of those things in Acts 2, hence the need to dreams and visions.
by Geoffrey Grider April 9, 2018
JOEL’S PROPHECIES CAN ONLY COME TRUE IN THE KINGDOM AGE, CHRISTIANS ARE NOT GIVEN SIGNS, WONDERS, DREAMS AND VISION. WE HAVE THE INDWELLING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, ACCESS TO THE THRONE OF GRACE, A COMPLETED BIBLE, AND THE COMMAND TO ‘WALK BY FAITH’.
“And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.” Joel 2:28,29 (KJV)
Over the past week or so, we have been writing a series of articles on the end times deception of people claiming they are seeing the face Jesus and hearing His voice in a dream or a vision. We have shown you scripture and scripture proving why such a thing is not possible for Christians living in the Church Age.
This topic is something we have covered here before many times when we teach on rightly dividing the Bible. Many Christians are shocked when they actually do some studying and see that not all of the New Testament is doctrine for the Christian in the Church Age. For example, in the first few chapters of the book of Acts, the “church” was quite different under Peter than it became under the apostle Paul. Here are a few easy to digest bullet points to show you what I mean.
IN ACTS 1&2 THEY WERE WAITING FOR A KINGDOM: In the beginning of the book of Acts, the Jewish followers of Jesus, with not a gentile among them, had no ‘hope of heaven’ and were not waiting for ‘the bridegroom’ as Christians do today. What were they waiting for? The were waiting for a King to bring about the Kingdom as the Old Testament prophets has foretold. “When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?” Acts 1:6 (KJV). That “kingdom” is an eternal nation of Israel in literal, physical and visible form. The Bible calls this the ‘kingdom of heaven“. Peter, James, John and all the rest had no clue about the Rapture of the Church, or even about the mystery of the church itself. This would not be revealed until the apostle Paul was commissioned. “How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;” Ephesians 3:3-5 (KJV). So when you read in the first couple of chapters of Acts about Joel’s prophecy coming true for the Jewish believers, this was possible because it was not the Church Age as we know it after Paul. It was the Kingdom Age where walking by faith alone was not required. The Kingdom Age is a different dispensation than the Church Age is. The Kingdom Age has signs and wonders, the Church Age does not.
JOEL’S PROPHECY STARTED TO COME TRUE BUT NEVER FINISHED: Peter stood up on the day of Pentecost and boldly declared that the amazing spectacle that was unfolding was not caused by alcohol, but was the promised fulfillment of Joel’s chapter 2 prophecy of the Second Coming. “For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:” Acts 2:15-17 (KJV). This is what all the ‘signs and wonders’ crowd today in 2018 want to use as their ‘proof text’ to try and prove that Jesus is appearing to people in dreams and all the rest of that junk. But the Bible will not support their claims and here’s why. When you keep reading in Joel 2 you see something else that is part and parcel of his prophecy, and it’s a doozy. “And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.” Joel 2:30,31 (KJV). Hmm, now when did all that happen? Answer? Not yet. But it will happen at the end of the time of Jacob’s trouble at the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. Why didn’t it happen when Peter preached it coming true? Because when the Jews rejected the preaching of the Holy Spirit through Stephen in Acts 7, Jesus who was getting ready to come back, sat by down and hit the ‘pause button” on the Kingdom Age. “When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth. But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.” Acts 7:54-56 (KJV). In Acts 8 we see the first gentile get saved, and in Acts 9 Saul becomes Paul and now we have the start of the Church Age. So if you are looking to see the fulfillment of “your sons and your daughters shall prophesy” I hate to break it to you but you can only see that if you miss the Rapture and wind up in the time of Jacob’s trouble. Then you will see Joel’s prophecy come true in all it’s terrible and wonderful majesty.
Hopefully, if you know how to rightly divide your Bible, you can see why it is simply not possible to take the Second Coming prophecies of Joel 2 and 3 and try to place them on the Church. Joel’s prophecies can only come true in the Kingdom Age, Christians are not given signs, wonders, dreams and vision. We have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, access to the Throne of Grace, a completed Bible, and the command to ‘walk by faith’. Jewish believers had none of those things in Acts 2, hence the need to dreams and visions.
When you don’t rightly divide your Bible, and I have rarely if ever met a charismatic who does, then you wind up trying to place Kingdom Age doctrine on born again believers in the Church Age and fall into a mess. Signs and wonders, aside from not being for Christians in the Church Age, are the main tool that the Antichrist will use in the time of Jacob’s trouble. Did you know that?
“And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.” Revelation 13:13,14 (KJV)
The end times deception that’s taking place is very real and very dangerous. If you see this stuff happening in your church, get out and get out fast. It doesn’t matter if someone has been saved for 50 years or served as a pastor for 20 years, you are only right until you aren’t right any more. Length of time being saved or being in ministry is never a factor as to whether or not you are teaching truth or error. We hope this series will be an eye-opening blessing to you.
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THE PROPHECIES MENTIONED IN JOEL 2 ABOUT ‘DREAMS AND VISIONS’ BEING POURED OUT IS NOT FOR CHRISTIANS IN THE CHURCH AGE
Hopefully, if you know how to rightly divide your Bible, you can see why it is simply not possible to take the Second Coming prophecies of Joel 2 and 3 and try to place them on the Church. Joel's prophecies can only come true in the Kingdom Age, Christians are not given signs, wonders, dreams and vision. We have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, access to the Throne of Grace, a completed Bible, and the command to 'walk by faith'. Jewish believers had none of those things in Acts 2, hence the need to dreams and visions.
by Geoffrey Grider April 9, 2018
JOEL’S PROPHECIES CAN ONLY COME TRUE IN THE KINGDOM AGE, CHRISTIANS ARE NOT GIVEN SIGNS, WONDERS, DREAMS AND VISION. WE HAVE THE INDWELLING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, ACCESS TO THE THRONE OF GRACE, A COMPLETED BIBLE, AND THE COMMAND TO ‘WALK BY FAITH’.
“And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.” Joel 2:28,29 (KJV)
Over the past week or so, we have been writing a series of articles on the end times deception of people claiming they are seeing the face Jesus and hearing His voice in a dream or a vision. We have shown you scripture and scripture proving why such a thing is not possible for Christians living in the Church Age.
This topic is something we have covered here before many times when we teach on rightly dividing the Bible. Many Christians are shocked when they actually do some studying and see that not all of the New Testament is doctrine for the Christian in the Church Age. For example, in the first few chapters of the book of Acts, the “church” was quite different under Peter than it became under the apostle Paul. Here are a few easy to digest bullet points to show you what I mean.
IN ACTS 1&2 THEY WERE WAITING FOR A KINGDOM: In the beginning of the book of Acts, the Jewish followers of Jesus, with not a gentile among them, had no ‘hope of heaven’ and were not waiting for ‘the bridegroom’ as Christians do today. What were they waiting for? The were waiting for a King to bring about the Kingdom as the Old Testament prophets has foretold. “When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?” Acts 1:6 (KJV). That “kingdom” is an eternal nation of Israel in literal, physical and visible form. The Bible calls this the ‘kingdom of heaven“. Peter, James, John and all the rest had no clue about the Rapture of the Church, or even about the mystery of the church itself. This would not be revealed until the apostle Paul was commissioned. “How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;” Ephesians 3:3-5 (KJV). So when you read in the first couple of chapters of Acts about Joel’s prophecy coming true for the Jewish believers, this was possible because it was not the Church Age as we know it after Paul. It was the Kingdom Age where walking by faith alone was not required. The Kingdom Age is a different dispensation than the Church Age is. The Kingdom Age has signs and wonders, the Church Age does not.
JOEL’S PROPHECY STARTED TO COME TRUE BUT NEVER FINISHED: Peter stood up on the day of Pentecost and boldly declared that the amazing spectacle that was unfolding was not caused by alcohol, but was the promised fulfillment of Joel’s chapter 2 prophecy of the Second Coming. “For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:” Acts 2:15-17 (KJV). This is what all the ‘signs and wonders’ crowd today in 2018 want to use as their ‘proof text’ to try and prove that Jesus is appearing to people in dreams and all the rest of that junk. But the Bible will not support their claims and here’s why. When you keep reading in Joel 2 you see something else that is part and parcel of his prophecy, and it’s a doozy. “And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.” Joel 2:30,31 (KJV). Hmm, now when did all that happen? Answer? Not yet. But it will happen at the end of the time of Jacob’s trouble at the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. Why didn’t it happen when Peter preached it coming true? Because when the Jews rejected the preaching of the Holy Spirit through Stephen in Acts 7, Jesus who was getting ready to come back, sat by down and hit the ‘pause button” on the Kingdom Age. “When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth. But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.” Acts 7:54-56 (KJV). In Acts 8 we see the first gentile get saved, and in Acts 9 Saul becomes Paul and now we have the start of the Church Age. So if you are looking to see the fulfillment of “your sons and your daughters shall prophesy” I hate to break it to you but you can only see that if you miss the Rapture and wind up in the time of Jacob’s trouble. Then you will see Joel’s prophecy come true in all it’s terrible and wonderful majesty.
Hopefully, if you know how to rightly divide your Bible, you can see why it is simply not possible to take the Second Coming prophecies of Joel 2 and 3 and try to place them on the Church. Joel’s prophecies can only come true in the Kingdom Age, Christians are not given signs, wonders, dreams and vision. We have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, access to the Throne of Grace, a completed Bible, and the command to ‘walk by faith’. Jewish believers had none of those things in Acts 2, hence the need to dreams and visions.
When you don’t rightly divide your Bible, and I have rarely if ever met a charismatic who does, then you wind up trying to place Kingdom Age doctrine on born again believers in the Church Age and fall into a mess. Signs and wonders, aside from not being for Christians in the Church Age, are the main tool that the Antichrist will use in the time of Jacob’s trouble. Did you know that?
“And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.” Revelation 13:13,14 (KJV)
The end times deception that’s taking place is very real and very dangerous. If you see this stuff happening in your church, get out and get out fast. It doesn’t matter if someone has been saved for 50 years or served as a pastor for 20 years, you are only right until you aren’t right any more. Length of time being saved or being in ministry is never a factor as to whether or not you are teaching truth or error. We hope this series will be an eye-opening blessing to you.
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