Joyce Meyer – False Teacher?
Nov 18, 2012 20:48:24 GMT -5
Post by PrisonerOfHope on Nov 18, 2012 20:48:24 GMT -5
Joyce Meyer – False Teacher?
Over the years since her popularity has grown… her appearance has also changed through cosmetic surgery. She disdains any criticism of her wearing jewelry, and having a large and expensive wardrobe. The rationale is that money spent on her appearance, changing her hair color, etc. is acceptable for her being in the public and should not to be confused with vanity.
At 60 years of age she has become a very popular speaker. She certainly is one of the best-known and best-paid TV preachers (especially for women). Today her Life in the Word organization estimates revenue of 95 million this year. The ministry says it spends about 10 percent - $880,000 a month - on charitable works around the globe.
Her ministry is now a multimillion-dollar organization with 500 employees with offices in Europe and South Africa. The ministry's headquarters were built a year and a half ago by for approximately $19 million. Meyer's ministry reaches out to the world, a Charisma article a number of years ago pointed out that she is on 600 radio and television stations -selling nearly three million tapes and close to a million books. Her Web site brings an average $8 million a month to her ministry. (Reference-Joyce Meyer's message: Give to me and God gives to you By Carolyn Tuft and Bill Smith St. Louis Post-Dispatch)
Meyer's house, is a 10,000-square-foot Cape Cod style estate home with a guest house and a garage that can be independently heated and cooled and can hold up to eight cars. The three-acre property has a large fountain, a gazebo, a private putting green, a pool and a poolhouse where the ministry recently added a $10,000 bathroom.
“I don't want to spend my whole life talking about the promised land without ever getting there. I want to live in it ”(Joyce Meyer, “What Does Your Future Hold” May 21, 2004). This indicates to me that she considers it okay and even desirable to live a wealthy lifestyle. She is living her example of the word/faith prosperity message. If you listen carefully to her messages you will soon discern that she is a follower of the word/faith and prosperity message so often found from television evangelists.
“I’m going to tell you something folks, I didn’t stop sinning until I finally got it through my thick head I wasn’t a sinner anymore. And the religious world thinks that’s heresy and they want to hang you for it. But the Bible says that I’m righteous and I can’t be righteous and be a sinner at the same time.”
“Now whether you like it or not, whether you want to admit it or not, whether you want to operate on it or not, you are made the righteousness of God in Jesus Christ. Most people who go to denominational churches never ever hear that! They never hear it! Never! All I was ever taught to say was, ‘I’m a poor, miserable sinner.’ I am not poor, I am not miserable and I am not a sinner. That is a lie from the pit of hell. That is what I was and if I still am then Jesus died in vain. Amen?” (Joyce Meyer, “What Happened from the Cross to The Throne?” audio)
Of course one can be righteous and be a sinner at the same time, because it is not our righteousness but Christ's. John makes it clear (I Jn. 1:8-10) “If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.” John refutes the error that we have no sin nature. To those who profess to have become perfectly sanctified, and to live without any sin, John says if we say that we have no sin, we live in self deception, “and the truth is not in us.” This kind of attitude will affect all that we do. Meyer's claim of not being a sinner any longer is very concerning because she is promoting this as a revelation from Scripture, when it is not.
No saint ever claimed this pure spiritual condition. Not Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob; Not Job, Moses, David, Peter, John, or Paul. None were absolutely perfect, they were all guilty of acts of sin? They never affirmed themselves as not being a sinner. The Bible does not teach that ALL Christians are perfect or no longer sinners. Paul said he was the chief of sinners and continued to do what he did not want to at times. “But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me” (Rom. 7:17). Sin is always present until we leave this earth.
Meyer, in her book, writes, “Words are containers for power” (The Name, The Word, The Blood, p. 37). This is typical Copeland/ Hagin faith talk. She has promoted this as well on her TV broadcast. Read the ad following for her audio series “Is your mouth saved.” The advertisement says we all have the ability to speak life or death to not only other people but to ourselves as well. “…Will help you to take inventory of what you’ve been saying and begin speaking faith filled words that will bring to pass God's good plan for your life.”
She makes her position clear by saying “words are containers for power, they carry creative or destructive power, positive or negative power, so we need to be speaking right things over our lives and about our futures if we expect to have good things happen because what you say then is what you probably end up having tomorrow.” (broadcasted on the Bible Answerman Jan.2003)
More Joyce Meyer quotes below:
“Sowing and reaping is a spiritual law...Sow generously and you will reap generously.” (Joyce Meyer, “What Does Your Future Hold” May 21, 2004)
“Now spirits don't have bodies, so we can't see them. Okay? There probably is, I believe there is, and I certainly hope there is several angels up here this morning that are preaching with me. I believe that right before I speak some anointed statement to you, that one of them bends over and says in my ear what I'm supposed to say to you.” Joyce Meyer
She also practices “Pain is a spirit. When it gets on your body, tell it to leave” ( Joyce Meyer, From the Cross to the Throne, audio tape)
“We laid hands on the check and prayed. I went and got all of our checkbooks and my pocketbook and Dave got his wallet and we laid hands on them and put the blood on them, asking God to protect our money, to cause it to multiply and to see to it that Satan could not steal any of it from us” (p.111 The Name, The Word, The Blood.).
It works for her. Some people think that representatives of Christ should live opulent lifestyles resulting from the gospel, this results from being brainwashed from the prosperity cult of word faith. This is the very opposite of what the apostles taught and gave as examples that the church is to follow. There is nothing wrong with being paid for ones labor, to have support to do ministry work but what we are seeing goes beyond abuse. Consider what they prayed for them-selves. Hopefully it will make you pause and think...
A recent series of investigative articles in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch revealed Meyer's ministry purchased for Joyce and Dave a $2 million home, a $10 million private jet, and houses worth another $2 million for the couple's children, who also work for the ministry. The articles also outlined Meyer's recent personal purchases, including a $500,000 vacation home. Meyer, 60, lives in Fenton, Missouri, near St. Louis.
Meyer's ministry withdraws program from Channel 24
By BILL SMITH Post-Dispatch
01/02/2004 Joyce Meyer's “Life in the Word” TV show will no longer be aired on the Rev. Larry Rice's KNLC (Channel 24).
Rice said he had told Meyer two weeks ago that he was canceling her Sunday evening program and was considering canceling her weekday show when the ministry notified him Friday that it was pulling off the station.
Rice said his actions were prompted by Meyer's lavish lifestyle and what he saw as teachings that often went “beyond Scripture.”
Rice said he had become increasingly worried about what he views as the “excessive lifestyle” of Meyer and her family.
He said Friday that the ministry's $2.5 million home in south St. Louis County where Meyer lives, and the $100,000 Mercedes-Benz owned by her husband, Dave, “crosses the line.”
“She wasn't always like this,” he said of Meyer. “She's really drifted.”
Good for him to stand up for the truth even though he would lose money. We need more people with integrity like this.
*After 9 years of giving, man has no Chrysler, no wife, no wealth By Carolyn Tuft Post-Dispatch 11/17/2003
Bob Schneller gave to Joyce Meyer until it hurt. Nine years later, he says, it still aches.
He's out of money, out of a marriage and out of faith with televangelists.
Schneller, 59, lives alone in a 600-square-foot, early-model mobile home in House Springs. He's surrounded by videotapes of televangelists. He says he studies the tapes to learn how he was taken in by Meyer.
Not so long ago, Schneller spent his days hanging on Meyer's every word. The money he gave her - $4,400 a year - surpassed his annual mortgage payment. He and his wife lived on $30,000 a year.
“She teaches you that if you give a seed offering, it will come back tenfold or a hundredfold,” Schneller said. “I know it sounds ridiculous, but you get caught up in it. You believe it as truth.” “Her teachings were practical,” Schneller said. “I'd never heard anyone preach that way before.”
He goes on to say Most of what Meyer taught, Schneller said, is what he calls the “name-it-and-claim-it” theology: If you have enough faith, you can name what you want.
“So I laid across the hood of a brand new 1985 Chrysler Fifth Avenue,” Schneller said. “I never did get it. She would say that I didn't have enough faith, or that there was sin in my life blocking the blessing. It always goes back to you.”
The Schnellers began giving more to Meyer: $350 a month. They went to Meyer's home Bible sessions.
By the early 1990s, Meyer's popularity started to climb.
But Schneller was less fortunate. His back went out, and he lacked money to pay his bills. He went to Meyer and told her what was happening. She laid her hands on him, he said, and told him that he would be healed, that his problems would soon go away.
“One day, I went out to my mailbox, and there inside were six $100 bills wrapped up,” Schneller said. “Right after that, she had me give testimony, and she used it to prove that you can be blessed.”
Despite the $600, nothing changed, he said. He went on workers' compensation and underwent neck surgery. Meyer called him to wish him well, he said. She began giving seed money to a ministry that Schneller and his wife had started, Sword of Spirit of Truth.
Then, in the spring of 1994, a new technique was percolating among charismatics like Meyer. It was called “holy laughter,” a ritual in which the congregation sings songs repetitively. The preacher steps onstage and begins laughing. Immediately, the room breaks into laughter. People slide out of their chairs and onto the floor, “drunk on the Holy Spirit.”
But Schneller felt uncomfortable with it.
The Schnellers went to a church in Waterloo. There, Schneller spoke out against holy laughter. A few days later, Schneller said, his wife was called into Meyer's office.
Meyer told her, Schneller said, that because of their position on holy laughter, “I can no longer support you.”
They parted ways.
Since then, Schneller's marriage has fallen apart. He works as a security guard and attends a “regular church, where the Bible is taught verse by verse.”
*******************************************************************************************************
In today’s tv church and in other churches……verse by verse Bible study is quite unusual! Oh…..if we just had more of this type teaching!
These are only a few stories that need to be paid attention to when you listen to Joyce Meyer or any of those that teach the false prosperity promises.
www.theanswerischrist.com/id35.html
Over the years since her popularity has grown… her appearance has also changed through cosmetic surgery. She disdains any criticism of her wearing jewelry, and having a large and expensive wardrobe. The rationale is that money spent on her appearance, changing her hair color, etc. is acceptable for her being in the public and should not to be confused with vanity.
At 60 years of age she has become a very popular speaker. She certainly is one of the best-known and best-paid TV preachers (especially for women). Today her Life in the Word organization estimates revenue of 95 million this year. The ministry says it spends about 10 percent - $880,000 a month - on charitable works around the globe.
Her ministry is now a multimillion-dollar organization with 500 employees with offices in Europe and South Africa. The ministry's headquarters were built a year and a half ago by for approximately $19 million. Meyer's ministry reaches out to the world, a Charisma article a number of years ago pointed out that she is on 600 radio and television stations -selling nearly three million tapes and close to a million books. Her Web site brings an average $8 million a month to her ministry. (Reference-Joyce Meyer's message: Give to me and God gives to you By Carolyn Tuft and Bill Smith St. Louis Post-Dispatch)
Meyer's house, is a 10,000-square-foot Cape Cod style estate home with a guest house and a garage that can be independently heated and cooled and can hold up to eight cars. The three-acre property has a large fountain, a gazebo, a private putting green, a pool and a poolhouse where the ministry recently added a $10,000 bathroom.
“I don't want to spend my whole life talking about the promised land without ever getting there. I want to live in it ”(Joyce Meyer, “What Does Your Future Hold” May 21, 2004). This indicates to me that she considers it okay and even desirable to live a wealthy lifestyle. She is living her example of the word/faith prosperity message. If you listen carefully to her messages you will soon discern that she is a follower of the word/faith and prosperity message so often found from television evangelists.
“I’m going to tell you something folks, I didn’t stop sinning until I finally got it through my thick head I wasn’t a sinner anymore. And the religious world thinks that’s heresy and they want to hang you for it. But the Bible says that I’m righteous and I can’t be righteous and be a sinner at the same time.”
“Now whether you like it or not, whether you want to admit it or not, whether you want to operate on it or not, you are made the righteousness of God in Jesus Christ. Most people who go to denominational churches never ever hear that! They never hear it! Never! All I was ever taught to say was, ‘I’m a poor, miserable sinner.’ I am not poor, I am not miserable and I am not a sinner. That is a lie from the pit of hell. That is what I was and if I still am then Jesus died in vain. Amen?” (Joyce Meyer, “What Happened from the Cross to The Throne?” audio)
Of course one can be righteous and be a sinner at the same time, because it is not our righteousness but Christ's. John makes it clear (I Jn. 1:8-10) “If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.” John refutes the error that we have no sin nature. To those who profess to have become perfectly sanctified, and to live without any sin, John says if we say that we have no sin, we live in self deception, “and the truth is not in us.” This kind of attitude will affect all that we do. Meyer's claim of not being a sinner any longer is very concerning because she is promoting this as a revelation from Scripture, when it is not.
No saint ever claimed this pure spiritual condition. Not Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob; Not Job, Moses, David, Peter, John, or Paul. None were absolutely perfect, they were all guilty of acts of sin? They never affirmed themselves as not being a sinner. The Bible does not teach that ALL Christians are perfect or no longer sinners. Paul said he was the chief of sinners and continued to do what he did not want to at times. “But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me” (Rom. 7:17). Sin is always present until we leave this earth.
Meyer, in her book, writes, “Words are containers for power” (The Name, The Word, The Blood, p. 37). This is typical Copeland/ Hagin faith talk. She has promoted this as well on her TV broadcast. Read the ad following for her audio series “Is your mouth saved.” The advertisement says we all have the ability to speak life or death to not only other people but to ourselves as well. “…Will help you to take inventory of what you’ve been saying and begin speaking faith filled words that will bring to pass God's good plan for your life.”
She makes her position clear by saying “words are containers for power, they carry creative or destructive power, positive or negative power, so we need to be speaking right things over our lives and about our futures if we expect to have good things happen because what you say then is what you probably end up having tomorrow.” (broadcasted on the Bible Answerman Jan.2003)
More Joyce Meyer quotes below:
“Sowing and reaping is a spiritual law...Sow generously and you will reap generously.” (Joyce Meyer, “What Does Your Future Hold” May 21, 2004)
“Now spirits don't have bodies, so we can't see them. Okay? There probably is, I believe there is, and I certainly hope there is several angels up here this morning that are preaching with me. I believe that right before I speak some anointed statement to you, that one of them bends over and says in my ear what I'm supposed to say to you.” Joyce Meyer
She also practices “Pain is a spirit. When it gets on your body, tell it to leave” ( Joyce Meyer, From the Cross to the Throne, audio tape)
“We laid hands on the check and prayed. I went and got all of our checkbooks and my pocketbook and Dave got his wallet and we laid hands on them and put the blood on them, asking God to protect our money, to cause it to multiply and to see to it that Satan could not steal any of it from us” (p.111 The Name, The Word, The Blood.).
It works for her. Some people think that representatives of Christ should live opulent lifestyles resulting from the gospel, this results from being brainwashed from the prosperity cult of word faith. This is the very opposite of what the apostles taught and gave as examples that the church is to follow. There is nothing wrong with being paid for ones labor, to have support to do ministry work but what we are seeing goes beyond abuse. Consider what they prayed for them-selves. Hopefully it will make you pause and think...
A recent series of investigative articles in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch revealed Meyer's ministry purchased for Joyce and Dave a $2 million home, a $10 million private jet, and houses worth another $2 million for the couple's children, who also work for the ministry. The articles also outlined Meyer's recent personal purchases, including a $500,000 vacation home. Meyer, 60, lives in Fenton, Missouri, near St. Louis.
Meyer's ministry withdraws program from Channel 24
By BILL SMITH Post-Dispatch
01/02/2004 Joyce Meyer's “Life in the Word” TV show will no longer be aired on the Rev. Larry Rice's KNLC (Channel 24).
Rice said he had told Meyer two weeks ago that he was canceling her Sunday evening program and was considering canceling her weekday show when the ministry notified him Friday that it was pulling off the station.
Rice said his actions were prompted by Meyer's lavish lifestyle and what he saw as teachings that often went “beyond Scripture.”
Rice said he had become increasingly worried about what he views as the “excessive lifestyle” of Meyer and her family.
He said Friday that the ministry's $2.5 million home in south St. Louis County where Meyer lives, and the $100,000 Mercedes-Benz owned by her husband, Dave, “crosses the line.”
“She wasn't always like this,” he said of Meyer. “She's really drifted.”
Good for him to stand up for the truth even though he would lose money. We need more people with integrity like this.
*After 9 years of giving, man has no Chrysler, no wife, no wealth By Carolyn Tuft Post-Dispatch 11/17/2003
Bob Schneller gave to Joyce Meyer until it hurt. Nine years later, he says, it still aches.
He's out of money, out of a marriage and out of faith with televangelists.
Schneller, 59, lives alone in a 600-square-foot, early-model mobile home in House Springs. He's surrounded by videotapes of televangelists. He says he studies the tapes to learn how he was taken in by Meyer.
Not so long ago, Schneller spent his days hanging on Meyer's every word. The money he gave her - $4,400 a year - surpassed his annual mortgage payment. He and his wife lived on $30,000 a year.
“She teaches you that if you give a seed offering, it will come back tenfold or a hundredfold,” Schneller said. “I know it sounds ridiculous, but you get caught up in it. You believe it as truth.” “Her teachings were practical,” Schneller said. “I'd never heard anyone preach that way before.”
He goes on to say Most of what Meyer taught, Schneller said, is what he calls the “name-it-and-claim-it” theology: If you have enough faith, you can name what you want.
“So I laid across the hood of a brand new 1985 Chrysler Fifth Avenue,” Schneller said. “I never did get it. She would say that I didn't have enough faith, or that there was sin in my life blocking the blessing. It always goes back to you.”
The Schnellers began giving more to Meyer: $350 a month. They went to Meyer's home Bible sessions.
By the early 1990s, Meyer's popularity started to climb.
But Schneller was less fortunate. His back went out, and he lacked money to pay his bills. He went to Meyer and told her what was happening. She laid her hands on him, he said, and told him that he would be healed, that his problems would soon go away.
“One day, I went out to my mailbox, and there inside were six $100 bills wrapped up,” Schneller said. “Right after that, she had me give testimony, and she used it to prove that you can be blessed.”
Despite the $600, nothing changed, he said. He went on workers' compensation and underwent neck surgery. Meyer called him to wish him well, he said. She began giving seed money to a ministry that Schneller and his wife had started, Sword of Spirit of Truth.
Then, in the spring of 1994, a new technique was percolating among charismatics like Meyer. It was called “holy laughter,” a ritual in which the congregation sings songs repetitively. The preacher steps onstage and begins laughing. Immediately, the room breaks into laughter. People slide out of their chairs and onto the floor, “drunk on the Holy Spirit.”
But Schneller felt uncomfortable with it.
The Schnellers went to a church in Waterloo. There, Schneller spoke out against holy laughter. A few days later, Schneller said, his wife was called into Meyer's office.
Meyer told her, Schneller said, that because of their position on holy laughter, “I can no longer support you.”
They parted ways.
Since then, Schneller's marriage has fallen apart. He works as a security guard and attends a “regular church, where the Bible is taught verse by verse.”
*******************************************************************************************************
In today’s tv church and in other churches……verse by verse Bible study is quite unusual! Oh…..if we just had more of this type teaching!
These are only a few stories that need to be paid attention to when you listen to Joyce Meyer or any of those that teach the false prosperity promises.
www.theanswerischrist.com/id35.html
